Originally Posted by cfii2007
(Post 3245105)
I think they had a 99 opening in Seattle (BFI?)............
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Originally Posted by Hawaii808
(Post 3249159)
I thought the BFI base moved to Spokane a few years ago?
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Can anyone comment on what the metro charter life is like.. schedules/flying/QOL/overtime pay/etc? Seems like an amazing job but not much info that I could find compared to the scheduled runs. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by 1200
(Post 3257561)
Can anyone comment on what the metro charter life is like.. schedules/flying/QOL/overtime pay/etc? Seems like an amazing job but not much info that I could find compared to the scheduled runs. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
(Post 3249913)
It did. However, there are still a couple of runs out of Seattle but there is no actual base there anymore. More like an out station than a base.
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Originally Posted by 1200
(Post 3257561)
Can anyone comment on what the metro charter life is like.. schedules/flying/QOL/overtime pay/etc? Seems like an amazing job but not much info that I could find compared to the scheduled runs. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Continuingappch
(Post 3257914)
You will fly a lot but also get much more hard time off.
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Originally Posted by FlightLife
(Post 3259340)
Much more hard time off? Isn’t the schedule 3 weeks on/one week off?
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Originally Posted by Pilatipus
(Post 3259417)
Better than 6 days on/one day off I guess.
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Originally Posted by QRH Bingo
(Post 3257843)
2nd hand info it’s a busy department which means they run you ragged, push duty day & flight time limits all week on minimum rest. Could be true; could be BS. But that’s all I got, take that info with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted by LeeroyJenkins92
(Post 3268362)
No that’s all pretty much spot on. Schedule just went from 3 weeks on 1 week off to 4 weeks on 1 week off after the charter pilot group was asked to give up our week off through February “to be made up later” and the majority give that proposition a hard no.
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Charter QOL
Originally Posted by LeeroyJenkins92
(Post 3268362)
No that’s all pretty much spot on. Schedule just went from 3 weeks on 1 week off to 4 weeks on 1 week off after the charter pilot group was asked to give up our week off through February “to be made up later” and the majority give that proposition a hard no.
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Originally Posted by 1200
(Post 3272817)
So does that mean a change in pay? Is it a permanent schedule change?
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How does this company get ANYONE to agree working 3 weeks on with 1 week off lol.
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Did Ameriflight bid on the Amazon ATRs going to Silver in Fort Worth?
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Originally Posted by MinRest
(Post 3284288)
How does this company get ANYONE to agree working 3 weeks on with 1 week off lol.
Honestly for some seeking to maximize hours in the minimum time, it might be a plus. Different strokes for different folks, and remember about 70% (my guess) of the people at AMF are only around for 2-5 years to build time..... There are assignments that fly under an HOUR a day with maybe 4 hrs and of duty a day total, maybe sleeping in your own bed, or all day home but there are some that are near maximum legal limits...just depends on what people bid. |
Originally Posted by tiger7612
(Post 3283910)
During your 3/1 or 4/1 schedule are you on the road the whole time or do charter flights usually originate at your base? For a DFW Charter Pilot on the Metro how often would you be at home? Just the one week?
But it’s not always like that. Sometimes you will get an out and back trip where you do it then come home and have a couple days at home during the week. Trips sometimes originate in base sometimes they don’t. During your weeks on you will get to come home for the weekend. |
Originally Posted by ZippyNH
(Post 3284474)
Some people are at AMF for as little time as possible to maximize the time they build to move on/up...some are more long term looking the live in a specific place or situation....
Honestly for some seeking to maximize hours in the minimum time, it might be a plus. Different strokes for different folks, and remember about 70% (my guess) of the people at AMF are only around for 2-5 years to build time..... There are assignments that fly under an HOUR a day with maybe 4 hrs and of duty a day total, maybe sleeping in your own bed, or all day home but there are some that are near maximum legal limits...just depends on what people bid. Sometimes they will even tell people during Indoc that they (mgmt) realize AMF is a stepping stone job for people to build time and move on. They just ask you to not hire in, stay 5 months then bail on them, they like to see people stay at least a year. Honestly I can’t blame them for that. As an aside, the Charter life is VERY different than the UPS side of AMF. You have to be pretty thick skinned to do Charter. It’s definitely not for everyone, if you’re a pretty boi, Charter probably isn’t for you. |
Any update on possible FO position opening up
I am curious if anyone here that is still currently working for Ameriflight, know if there anything happening with the First officer position. I understand they are working to bring people up thru their pilot program pathway to UPS and United. I been seeing more spots open for the Captain position on the employment website.
I am keeping an eye out on the website to see any opening for the FO opportunity. Will Ameriflight might possibly expand their FO to more aircraft to keep up with their Captain requirements for the BE-99 and other aircraft? Thanks for any info. |
Originally Posted by Gapilot
(Post 3308768)
I am curious if anyone here that is still currently working for Ameriflight, know if there anything happening with the First officer position. I understand they are working to bring people up thru their pilot program pathway to UPS and United. I been seeing more spots open for the Captain position on the employment website.
I am keeping an eye out on the website to see any opening for the FO opportunity. Will Ameriflight might possibly expand their FO to more aircraft to keep up with their Captain requirements for the BE-99 and other aircraft? Thanks for any info. Working charter is hard work (there are extra bonuses and incentives to off set this partially for captains) but it's faster way to build time and get quality experience with multiple airports. It's a very different job than out and back trips out of a base. Some love it, some hate it. |
Originally Posted by Gapilot
(Post 3308768)
. . . anything happening with the First officer position. . .
I am keeping an eye out on the website to see any opening for the FO opportunity. . . . |
Originally Posted by Gapilot
(Post 3308768)
I am curious if anyone here that is still currently working for Ameriflight, know if there anything happening with the First officer position. I understand they are working to bring people up thru their pilot program pathway to UPS and United. I been seeing more spots open for the Captain position on the employment website.
I am keeping an eye out on the website to see any opening for the FO opportunity. Will Ameriflight might possibly expand their FO to more aircraft to keep up with their Captain requirements for the BE-99 and other aircraft? Thanks for any info. If you can get to 135 IFR mins (1200 TT, 500 point to point CC, 100 night, 75 Instrument) I can just about guarantee you can get an interview. |
For those who fly out of ONT, what is the schedule like these days? Last I heard was M-F departing around 6AM and returning around 6PM. This still the case?
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Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
(Post 3309785)
I am currently at AMF and have had folks I know reach out about FO slots. From what I was told, per our agreements with UPS and United, they have the first dibs on any open FO spots. IF we still have needs, then we can hire off the street. (We have one E120 FO that is a street hire that finished Indoc today and starts aircraft training on Monday.) But these spots are VERY limited and lots of folks looking for them. So like QRH said, you need to reach out and not wait for an open bid -- you won't see one of those.
If you can get to 135 IFR mins (1200 TT, 500 point to point CC, 100 night, 75 Instrument) I can just about guarantee you can get an interview. |
So how long is it going to take Ameriflight to realize it’s a lot cheaper to bring back the $10,000 peak to peak bonus and keep their current pilots… Rather than offer new hires a $5,000 sign on bonus, in order to replace the pilots they’re losing, and then spend $20,000-$30,000 to train the new hires…
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Originally Posted by NewbiePilot
(Post 3332528)
So how long is it going to take Ameriflight to realize it’s a lot cheaper to bring back the $10,000 peak to peak bonus and keep their current pilots… Rather than offer new hires a $5,000 sign on bonus, in order to replace the pilots they’re losing, and then spend $20,000-$30,000 to train the new hires…
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Originally Posted by FlightLife
(Post 3333008)
I don’t know. Maybe you should email the CEO and share your business strategies.
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Originally Posted by QRH Bingo
(Post 3333274)
As a serious question tho, are they hurting for pilots? Last week I saw 16 vacancies on their site, down to 10 this week. Their business model is that of “we know this is an intro/stepping stone” so pay & QOL isn’t that good for most; it does work for some, however. So it’s kinda built to have a revolving door of pilots.
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I’m surprised they can meet the contract requirements right now with all of the maintenance and attrition issues, and every month seems to be worse.
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https://markets.businessinsider.com/...ons-1031039018
Writing on the wall for anyone considering this company, or already there. And it’s not that they can’t find skilled pilots, it’s that they can’t, or won’t change the toxic areas of the business that cause good pilots and mechanics/dispatchers to leave or look elsewhere. And Covid just emphasized those things. If pay and QoL and maintenance was what it should be, AMF would never find itself short of skilled, competent life long employees. I guess robots are easier and cheaper anyway. |
Originally Posted by Kansaspilot92
(Post 3334013)
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...ons-1031039018
Writing on the wall for anyone considering this company, or already there. And it’s not that they can’t find skilled pilots, it’s that they can’t, or won’t change the toxic areas of the business that cause good pilots and mechanics/dispatchers to leave or look elsewhere. And Covid just emphasized those things. If pay and QoL and maintenance was what it should be, AMF would never find itself short of skilled, competent life long employees. I guess robots are easier and cheaper anyway. |
Originally Posted by LeeroyJenkins92
(Post 3268362)
No that’s all pretty much spot on. Schedule just went from 3 weeks on 1 week off to 4 weeks on 1 week off after the charter pilot group was asked to give up our week off through February “to be made up later” and the majority give that proposition a hard no.
3 or 4 weeks on and one off is not sustainable. |
Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch;[url=tel:3334057
3334057[/url]]Ain’t not way some crooked flying POS 99 is going to be flown by a robot…. I’d like to see it crawl through the hatch to start with 😏
Nicely dun sir, nicely dun! |
Originally Posted by Sidewinder27
(Post 3334059)
So what type of pilot applies and accepts a job here? In today's wide opening hiring market how does this company fine pilots? 🤔
3 or 4 weeks on and one off is not sustainable. |
Originally Posted by Continuingappch
(Post 3334195)
QOL varies widely according to base & run. If you get a home-every-night lifestyle with weekends off in a town where you have roots, there's not much to complain about. Not everyone wants to wear polyester shirts and commute.
Weekends off: you’ll work Saturday mornings at a lot of bases and show between 6am and 4pm mondays. This is the only time off you’ll get except for your one week of vacation a year unless they have better staffing. |
Originally Posted by Kansaspilot92
(Post 3334204)
Home every night: off duty at 8-9pm and back at 6am next morning
Weekends off: you’ll work Saturday mornings at a lot of bases and show between 6am and 4pm mondays. This is the only time off you’ll get except for your one week of vacation a year unless they have better staffing. |
Average right now is 5-6 days per week and from 6am to 6pm if you’re on the west coast. 5-6 days per week and 6am to 9pm of you’re on the east coast.
The types of pilots that are here are either here for a pathway program “United or UPS” or they’re here because they don’t have ATP minimums and need a part 135 job before going to the airlines. There are a few “Ameri-lifers” but they are getting more rare because even they’re getting tired of the abuse. Most recently Ameriflight management decided they’re going to re-write our “Pilots Administrative Guide” to make it more beneficial to them. As we’re not unionized we can’t do anything about that. that being said, if you are a current Ameriflight employee and would like to join the group attempting to form a union please email [email protected]. It’s illegal for them to fire employees trying to unionize. And if a union was able to get better standards of living at Ameriflight then maybe they wouldn’t have an employee shortage right now. As for the autonomous planes. We still have airplanes without GPS and without Autopilot. Ameriflight would have to invest in a new fleet or finally upgrade their current planes in order to remotely come close to being able to fly with that level of automation. And the MX issues that AMF planes experience nearly daily because of the aging fleet types would make me wonder how long it would take until an AMF automated plane flew into someone’s house. I think their current automation goals are more along the lines of quad copters. And a fully automated B99 is decades away in my opinion. They already fly most of the fleet types as single pilot and I think you’d always need one person in the plane able to take over in an emergency. But maybe I’m just too old to think technology would advance and be trusted so much anytime soon. As one other person already mentioned, I’m also surprised they haven’t lost more contracts yet because of their pilot shortage and inability to fill some routes right now. I think inevitably that will happen though if they keep losing pilots at the rate they are and don’t have pilots to replace. It’s easy to find qualified FOs right now. But there are 15+ Captain openings right now and growing. Anyone qualified to be a captain at AMF hired off the street is also qualified to work as an FO at the airlines and with the 10s of thousands of dollars of bonuses the airlines are offering right now and all the great benefits, AMF is probably in trouble. The pilot shortage is BACK and the last airline to realize that and adapt will be the first airline to go under. |
if they are having a high turnover of pilot and they are relying on their pipeline program, why haven’t they tried to bring back their ACP they had about two to three years ago? From what I saw it was a good program that allow them to train pilot to take over the spots that would open up once petiole got the 1500 to go to the airline. I been trying to get on as a first officer off the street and so far no luck yet. I heard they were going to bring more FO on to the metro and Merlin to get them up to the Captain.
I hope that one day I get the call from the HR for a interview for the FO, would love to gain the experience of flying freight and then move over to the 99s fly as a captain.
Originally Posted by NewbiePilot
(Post 3334337)
Average right now is 5-6 days per week and from 6am to 6pm if you’re on the west coast. 5-6 days per week and 6am to 9pm of you’re on the east coast.
The types of pilots that are here are either here for a pathway program “United or UPS” or they’re here because they don’t have ATP minimums and need a part 135 job before going to the airlines. There are a few “Ameri-lifers” but they are getting more rare because even they’re getting tired of the abuse. Most recently Ameriflight management decided they’re going to re-write our “Pilots Administrative Guide” to make it more beneficial to them. As we’re not unionized we can’t do anything about that. that being said, if you are a current Ameriflight employee and would like to join the group attempting to form a union please email [email protected]. It’s illegal for them to fire employees trying to unionize. And if a union was able to get better standards of living at Ameriflight then maybe they wouldn’t have an employee shortage right now. As for the autonomous planes. We still have airplanes without GPS and without Autopilot. Ameriflight would have to invest in a new fleet or finally upgrade their current planes in order to remotely come close to being able to fly with that level of automation. And the MX issues that AMF planes experience nearly daily because of the aging fleet types would make me wonder how long it would take until an AMF automated plane flew into someone’s house. I think their current automation goals are more along the lines of quad copters. And a fully automated B99 is decades away in my opinion. They already fly most of the fleet types as single pilot and I think you’d always need one person in the plane able to take over in an emergency. But maybe I’m just too old to think technology would advance and be trusted so much anytime soon. As one other person already mentioned, I’m also surprised they haven’t lost more contracts yet because of their pilot shortage and inability to fill some routes right now. I think inevitably that will happen though if they keep losing pilots at the rate they are and don’t have pilots to replace. It’s easy to find qualified FOs right now. But there are 15+ Captain openings right now and growing. Anyone qualified to be a captain at AMF hired off the street is also qualified to work as an FO at the airlines and with the 10s of thousands of dollars of bonuses the airlines are offering right now and all the great benefits, AMF is probably in trouble. The pilot shortage is BACK and the last airline to realize that and adapt will be the first airline to go under. |
Originally Posted by Gapilot
(Post 3334663)
if they are having a high turnover of pilot and they are relying on their pipeline program, why haven’t they tried to bring back their ACP they had about two to three years ago? From what I saw it was a good program that allow them to train pilot to take over the spots that would open up once petiole got the 1500 to go to the airline. I been trying to get on as a first officer off the street and so far no luck yet. I heard they were going to bring more FO on to the metro and Merlin to get them up to the Captain.
I hope that one day I get the call from the HR for a interview for the FO, would love to gain the experience of flying freight and then move over to the 99s fly as a captain. As for why it hasn’t been brought back? Money. That’s why AMF doesn’t have enough pilots, qualified maintenance people, or basic equipment in the airplanes in 2021. I mean come on, night freight in /A turboprops in 2021? You have to be joking. The current leadership is either disconnected, inept, or doesn’t actually care what makes the current company better. They’re fully focused on charter runs that make a ton of money but eat resources and time and playing catch up, all the while making grand future plans. 4-5 years ago was the sweet spot to join this company, today? No. This is not to demean the very quality people at Ameriflight who work very hard to meet deadlines, fly safely and do things right. But there are rotten things at Ameriflight that are getting worse and they can’t overcome those as much as they try. If you are currently at Ameriflight, join the union effort or better-leverage every single connection you have to leave and talk to a lawyer about your training contracts. This job is not worth your personal health or life. |
Originally Posted by Kansaspilot92
(Post 3334679)
You think you would, but you would not. It’s not worth being an FO in one of their metros to fly a poorly maintained 99 at night with no autopilot for years on end. They also have no PDP so you can’t use any of the FO time towards ATP. Go to aerial survey, go to CFI, try to get on with a corporate job or the airlines. Ameriflight is overdue for a fatality and with the way things are headed either a new pilot or maintenance related fatality will happen soon-and you don’t want to be the one in the news.
As for why it hasn’t been brought back? Money. That’s why AMF doesn’t have enough pilots, qualified maintenance people, or basic equipment in the airplanes in 2021. I mean come on, night freight in /A turboprops in 2021? You have to be joking. The current leadership is either disconnected, inept, or doesn’t actually care what makes the current company better. They’re fully focused on charter runs that make a ton of money but eat resources and time and playing catch up, all the while making grand future plans. 4-5 years ago was the sweet spot to join this company, today? No. This is not to demean the very quality people at Ameriflight who work very hard to meet deadlines, fly safely and do things right. But there are rotten things at Ameriflight that are getting worse and they can’t overcome those as much as they try. If you are currently at Ameriflight, join the union effort or better-leverage every single connection you have to leave and talk to a lawyer about your training contracts. This job is not worth your personal health or life. Well, all I’m gonna say is they better not get too used to those charter flights, we’ve got people dropping like flies too. Because they are tired of being ran ragged, backside of the clock, in planes that are trying to kill them. |
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