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Oldog 02-28-2010 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by tbmpilot (Post 767736)
Wear a tie. Don't speak unless spoken to. :)

I sure disagree with "tbmpilot" about "don't speak unless spoken to. Yes, do wear a tie -- it's kind of a tie-wearing company. BUT -- if you've got a question in class, ASK IT!

May not seem like it, but the instructors are (a) interested in trainees' input, and (b) are getting paid to make sure the trainees understand the stuff they're trying to shovel into them. If you don't get it, they aren't succeeding. If you listen to the instructors chat in the office, you'll find they aren't impressed by trainees who sit there like inflatable dolls.

Intelligent questions or comments are welcome. Often those questions are the same ones adherents to the "don't speak" philosophy would like to assk themselves, but don't. Be sure yours doesn't reveal that you've been asleep for the past hour. . . .

murphfly 02-28-2010 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Oldog (Post 770786)
I sure disagree with "tbmpilot" about "don't speak unless spoken to. Yes, do wear a tie -- it's kind of a tie-wearing company. BUT -- if you've got a question in class, ASK IT!

May not seem like it, but the instructors are (a) interested in trainees' input, and (b) are getting paid to make sure the trainees understand the stuff they're trying to shovel into them. If you don't get it, they aren't succeeding. If you listen to the instructors chat in the office, you'll find they aren't impressed by trainees who sit there like inflatable dolls.

Intelligent questions or comments are welcome. Often those questions are the same ones adherents to the "don't speak" philosophy would like to assk themselves, but don't. Be sure yours doesn't reveal that you've been asleep for the past hour. . . .

Man who's paying you to say this??

AMF's training was the most disorganized training I've ever been through. If a trainee isn't "getting it" they just figure they're weeding out the weak ones (which I agree with.. If they can't cut it in the sim they don't belong on the line) They don't ask the trainees at the end if they have any input on improving the training. And don't get me started on Bob's useless drabble about VFR flying and just grazing over the important 135 regs. Don't get me wrong AMF produces good 135 pilots but the training isn't professional in my opinion. It needs major improvement and specifically in the first week of indoc with Bob.

ugflyer 02-28-2010 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by Stratapilot (Post 770525)
Unfortunately, all i have is "CFI stinky loser" time :). I'll be patient and tactfully harass them.

That's the right attitude ma man. In this industry it's all about patience, but even as you wait your turn, it never hurts to let them know that you're upto the challenge right now! Good luck...hope you get that call.

tbmpilot 02-28-2010 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Oldog (Post 770786)
I sure disagree with "tbmpilot" about "don't speak unless spoken to.

Anyway, it was just an obscure "Fate is the Hunter" reference, followed by a smiley face... :)

Moonwolf 03-01-2010 07:51 PM

Any advice on the interview.. what to say, what to avoid saying? HR answers they would like to hear...

Bowersbum 03-01-2010 08:47 PM

Be yourself, or knowing you maybe not lol jk

FlyJSH 03-02-2010 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Moonwolf (Post 771670)
Any advice on the interview.. what to say, what to avoid saying? HR answers they would like to hear...

That big yellow thing in the sky annoys me.
GPS is for losers.
I love being extended.
Grounding items only fail while enroute to a mx base.

(Not responsible for early termination of the interview) :D

own nav 03-02-2010 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 771788)
That big yellow thing in the sky annoys me.
GPS is for losers.
I love being extended.
Grounding items only fail while enroute to a mx base.

(Not responsible for early termination of the interview) :D

Good one.

Seriously, though, one thing that people might not consider is that AMF doesn't mind you using them as a stepping stone to bigger things.

Sure, you want to fulfill your commitment, make a contribution and all, but telling them that you want to fly for a major airline, fractional, etc in a few years, won't hurt you at all.

BTPM 03-03-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 767974)
I'll second the flows. Don't stress the knowledge stuff in indoc. Flows are what will be the challenge come sim time.

That's not quite true...Yes the flows are vitally important if you want to succeed, but you need to know the indoc material also. If you have any questions you can call me. 818-813-1599. i am on the west coast so please don't call before 0600 or after 2100.

BTPM 03-03-2010 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 767974)
I'll second the flows. Don't stress the knowledge stuff in indoc. Flows are what will be the challenge come sim time.


Originally Posted by murphfly (Post 770918)
Man who's paying you to say this??

AMF's training was the most disorganized training I've ever been through. If a trainee isn't "getting it" they just figure they're weeding out the weak ones (which I agree with.. If they can't cut it in the sim they don't belong on the line) They don't ask the trainees at the end if they have any input on improving the training. And don't get me started on Bob's useless drabble about VFR flying and just grazing over the important 135 regs. Don't get me wrong AMF produces good 135 pilots but the training isn't professional in my opinion. It needs major improvement and specifically in the first week of indoc with Bob.

I don't know what you are flying or where your based, but try not to crap on the training too bad, shall we. One of the aircraft systems ground schools was just audited by the FAA and they said it was on par with what Horizon Airlines is doing, and clearly head and shoulders above what ANY 135 operator is currently offering. There are a lot of good people involved in the training department who go way above and beyond every day to make life better for you. If you know who I am, then you know it's true.

freightdog 03-04-2010 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by BTPM (Post 772812)
I don't know what you are flying or where your based, but try not to crap on the training too bad, shall we. One of the aircraft systems ground schools was just audited by the FAA and they said it was on par with what Horizon Airlines is doing, and clearly head and shoulders above what ANY 135 operator is currently offering. There are a lot of good people involved in the training department who go way above and beyond every day to make life better for you. If you know who I am, then you know it's true.

*two thumbs up*

Scooter2525 03-04-2010 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by BTPM (Post 772807)
That's not quite true...Yes the flows are vitally important if you want to succeed, but you need to know the indoc material also.

I should have been more clear... INDOC material IS important. Evenings during training should be spent going over that days material. Practicing the flows prior to a class date will give the student more time to focus on the knowlege stuff before hitting the sims. Although it sounds like you are closely tied to the training dept so I'll fade out.... quiet...ly. :D

FlyJSH 03-04-2010 10:04 PM


Originally Posted by own nav (Post 771849)
Good one.

Seriously, though, one thing that people might not consider is that AMF doesn't mind you using them as a stepping stone to bigger things.

Sure, you want to fulfill your commitment, make a contribution and all, but telling them that you want to fly for a major airline, fractional, etc in a few years, won't hurt you at all.

I hope my little jest was not taken the wrong way. I used to fly a 'Van for a company that was bought by AirNow. Whenever the self loading cargo ticks me off, I troll the freight sites and think longingly of the old days.

Earl81 03-05-2010 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by BTPM (Post 772812)
I don't know what you are flying or where your based, but try not to crap on the training too bad, shall we. One of the aircraft systems ground schools was just audited by the FAA and they said it was on par with what Horizon Airlines is doing, and clearly head and shoulders above what ANY 135 operator is currently offering. There are a lot of good people involved in the training department who go way above and beyond every day to make life better for you. If you know who I am, then you know it's true.

^ agreed ^

With regards to your first couple weeks of indoc and training just study what you have gone over for the day and keep pace with the curriculum. You'll do fine just take it one step at a time. Dont spend your weekend between indoc and systems/sims going to Disneyland or something :D

propjunkie 03-05-2010 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by Stratapilot (Post 770044)
Hey guys,

I've gotten my stuff in to Ameriflight for a while, but I haven't heard anything back.

Right now I'm trying to figure out whether I'm simply not competitive or they're just busy.

I currently have
1300TT
800 135 XC
200 night
100 In flight IFR 20 of which is actual.
65 multi.

Given the above numbers am I just not competitive or is it something else?

I would say your problem is your multi time.

Oldog 03-07-2010 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by murphfly (Post 770918)
Man who's paying you to say this??

AMF's training was the most disorganized training I've ever been through. If a trainee isn't "getting it" they just figure they're weeding out the weak ones (which I agree with.. If they can't cut it in the sim they don't belong on the line) They don't ask the trainees at the end if they have any input on improving the training. And don't get me started on Bob's useless drabble about VFR flying and just grazing over the important 135 regs. Don't get me wrong AMF produces good 135 pilots but the training isn't professional in my opinion. It needs major improvement and specifically in the first week of indoc with Bob.

Nobody's paying me to say this; I do it on my own time . . . but I've seen a lot of pilots start the serious part of long flying careers at Ameriflight, and I've seen others bilge out of training while spouting excuses about why it wasn't their fault.

Ameriflight is certainly not perfect, but they spend a huge amount of time, effort, and money to try to get their trainees off to a good start. If you have ideas for improvement and made it out onto the line, make some specific suggestions to the upper-echelon folks at BUR Training. They actually ARE interested in productive input.

Oldog 03-07-2010 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 585840)
Planned attrition or expansion?

Both attrition and growth. Just took delivery of two new (to us) BE-1900Cs, and some other aircraft that were underutilized last year are getting taken up with new business.

Oldog 03-07-2010 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by P56C (Post 593247)
Congrats man!

Do you know if Ameriflight is still hiring?

Thanks

As of Feb 2010 Ameriflight is planning new hire classes about once a month for the forseeable future, 5-10 captain candidates per class.

Oldog 03-07-2010 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by Stratapilot (Post 750067)
That sounds like the kind of company I want to work for. Online application sent. That is the best way right?

Online app, call in after a month or so to make sure they got it, and then update it by phone every couple of months to show your interest and keep your name in front of the recruiting people. Every couple of MONTHS, not every couple of days. They process hundreds of applications. . . .

SIUav8er 03-08-2010 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by murphfly (Post 770918)
Man who's paying you to say this??

AMF's training was the most disorganized training I've ever been through. If a trainee isn't "getting it" they just figure they're weeding out the weak ones (which I agree with.. If they can't cut it in the sim they don't belong on the line) They don't ask the trainees at the end if they have any input on improving the training. And don't get me started on Bob's useless drabble about VFR flying and just grazing over the important 135 regs. Don't get me wrong AMF produces good 135 pilots but the training isn't professional in my opinion. It needs major improvement and specifically in the first week of indoc with Bob.

hmm, I have worked for 2 other 135 operators (no 121), and Amflight has by far the finest training program I have ever been through. There is no comparison.

"Bobs useless drabble" <--- are you serious? Bob has his own way of teaching that can seem odd at times, but that doesnt mean that what he teaches is useless. Think about what he has to do. In about 3 days he has to teach the entire Ops manual and go over all of part 135 and 91. Its obvious that this is just an introduction to the material, not an in depth analysis of each regulation! I think for the time frame given, he lays out the material exceptionally well. You couls spend months going over the finer points of the regs, but that is simply not realistic.

scjfly 03-09-2010 04:41 PM


Originally Posted by SIUav8er (Post 775730)
hmm, I have worked for 2 other 135 operators (no 121), and Amflight has by far the finest training program I have ever been through. There is no comparison.

"Bobs useless drabble" <--- are you serious? Bob has his own way of teaching that can seem odd at times, but that doesnt mean that what he teaches is useless. Think about what he has to do. In about 3 days he has to teach the entire Ops manual and go over all of part 135 and 91. Its obvious that this is just an introduction to the material, not an in depth analysis of each regulation! I think for the time frame given, he lays out the material exceptionally well. You couls spend months going over the finer points of the regs, but that is simply not realistic.

I agree completely. Seems like people are always dissin Bob, but considering the repetitive nature of his job and the material he covers, I think he does well.

Bob in 2012.

jedinein 03-09-2010 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by scjfly (Post 776246)
I agree completely. Seems like people are always dissin Bob, but considering the repetitive nature of his job and the material he covers, I think he does well.

Bob in 2012.

He would set this country straight....

+1 Bob in 2012!

Oldog 03-23-2010 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 584410)
nothing like a day of /a

Oh, c'mon. How could AMF operate where they do, "/A"? All the airplanes enjoy the luxury of "/C"! And with the fleet campaign directive to install GNS430Ws, they'll soon be advancing further up the alphabet!

Fly Boy Knight 03-24-2010 09:55 AM

Real pilots fly /a lol :)

Scooter2525 03-24-2010 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Oldog (Post 783016)
Oh, c'mon. How could AMF operate where they do, "/A"? All the airplanes enjoy the luxury of "/C"! And with the fleet campaign directive to install GNS430Ws, they'll soon be advancing further up the alphabet!

Soon as in 1 a year, maybe. It would be a nice upgrade to all planes. Help out with more airport options. Although, I really don't mind flying /a. Good times.

SIUav8er 03-24-2010 09:26 PM

/A makes a man outta ya! lol, i dont need no fancy GPS...

flight511 04-04-2010 06:43 PM

Pdx
 
Any Ameriflight guys here out of PDX? I would like to fly for Ameriflight and want the PDX persective! It sounds like a great company. I used to fly freight out of the Northwest and if we were /A it was a good day. I am close to PDX and would like to know more.
thanks

freightdog 04-04-2010 10:06 PM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 783377)
Soon as in 1 a year, maybe. It would be a nice upgrade to all planes. Help out with more airport options. Although, I really don't mind flying /a. Good times.


The company is on track for seven (7) years right now until the whole fleet is /G, that's at the current rate of about 20 planes/year.

Scooter2525 04-05-2010 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 789956)
The company is on track for seven (7) years right now until the whole fleet is /G, that's at the current rate of about 20 planes/year.

Bueno. And welcome back. Congrats. Welcome to the club!

I know up here there are only a few birds. Are they putting AP in at the same time?

freightdog 04-11-2010 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 790168)
Bueno. And welcome back. Congrats. Welcome to the club!

I know up here there are only a few birds. Are they putting AP in at the same time?

As far as I know, yes. They are installing the STEC 30 (AP in the turn coordinator) while installing the 430W.

It's good to be back, Maui was awesome. Even took a C172 around the patch while there.

Fly Boy Knight 04-11-2010 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by flight511 (Post 789852)
Any Ameriflight guys here out of PDX? I would like to fly for Ameriflight and want the PDX persective! It sounds like a great company. I used to fly freight out of the Northwest and if we were /A it was a good day. I am close to PDX and would like to know more.
thanks

The majority of new pilots usually get sent to either OAK or PDX (Most chieftains and newbies) so if you are interested in PDX, you have a decent chance of ending up here.

Seniority-wise, PDX seems to be a pretty top heavy base meaning that the senior guys who are here, are here to stay. That being said, I came to PDX in Sept 2009 and in that short time, I am now about 1/3 of the way up the PDX base seniority list. This is from the guys immediately above me taking upgrades out of PDX and leaving for Airline Recalls however, most of the guys who are above me right now are not going anywhere anytime soon.

If you intend on moving up to the BE99 and so in PDX, there are several guys who have been at PDX for 3 + years who still have not been upgraded so the way to upgrade is to get outa PDX.

Scooter2525 04-11-2010 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 793900)

It's good to be back, Maui was awesome. Even took a C172 around the patch while there.

Nice! When I go to Hawaii in the future, Ide like to do that. Did you have to do a checkout? hourly?

freightdog 04-12-2010 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Scooter2525 (Post 793950)
Nice! When I go to Hawaii in the future, Ide like to do that. Did you have to do a checkout? hourly?

Just took a CFI along (also a good tour guide). Flew over to Molokai along the northShore, landed at both airports there then flew back along the West and North shores of Maui.

BTW, decided on a Glock, picking it up on Friday.

Scooter2525 04-12-2010 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 794318)

BTW, decided on a Glock, picking it up on Friday.

Nice dude. We will have to do some range time sometime. /Enough thread hijack.

friendlyskies 04-13-2010 07:28 PM

Anybody going straight to the Brasilia? I applied at AMF last year and was offered an interview for Aguadilla (?) PR Brasila FO, but didn't take it (oops). 1800TT, 860 King Air SIC (not seat warmer) part 135 time, 950 PIC, 950 XC, meet 121 ATP mins. How are my chances this time around?

Luv2Rotate 04-14-2010 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by friendlyskies (Post 795580)
Anybody going straight to the Brasilia? I applied at AMF last year and was offered an interview for Aguadilla (?) PR Brasila FO, but didn't take it (oops). 1800TT, 860 King Air SIC (not seat warmer) part 135 time, 950 PIC, 950 XC, meet 121 ATP mins. How are my chances this time around?

NONE. You'll get the CHIEFTAN:cool:... Hindsight is a bi*ch

friendlyskies 04-14-2010 11:47 AM

Does everyone pretty much find their own living arrangements, or does the company maintain some sort of house/apartment for pilots (sort of like cape air afaik). Money doesn't go too far in OAK and the other junior bases...

Luv2Rotate 04-14-2010 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by friendlyskies (Post 795994)
Does everyone pretty much find their own living arrangements, or does the company maintain some sort of house/apartment for pilots (sort of like cape air afaik). Money doesn't go too far in OAK and the other junior bases...

You're on your own. Although sometimes pilots are looking for roomies.

TheFly 04-14-2010 06:16 PM

When at the outstations, does AMF provide lodging and/or transportation?

PHX outstation life....how is it?

tbmpilot 04-15-2010 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 796176)
When at the outstations, does AMF provide lodging and/or transportation?

If you're outstation based you generally spend the day at home and spend the night in a crew apartment/hotel. There is some form of transportation provided to the apartment/hotel; it could be a company car or a hotel shuttle.


Originally Posted by TheFly (Post 796176)
PHX outstation life....how is it?

Good if you live in the outstation; not so good if you live in Phoenix and then drive back and forth to the outstation, in which case, you also have no place to stay during the day.


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