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1expat 02-18-2017 10:23 PM

Two good reasons to AVOID AMERIFLIGHT.
Antiquated equipment, single pilot in an aircraft designed for two pilots. Pilot funerals are depressing.
PRIA Do two pilot duties in old equipment with marginal training and you are setting yourself up for a failed check ride, which is exactly what Ameriflight wants. Ameriflight runs a washout program. Your PRIA record will haunt you when you interview with legitimate airlines.

Jetlife 02-19-2017 08:05 AM

Sad to hear that training department mentality hasn't changed. That really needs a complete revamp.

own nav 02-19-2017 11:04 AM

Smell test anyone?

I know what Jetlife is referring to. Old school AMF. I have friends who hesitate come to AMF based on their knowledge of the training culture of over 10 years ago.

Is it the same now? Make your case, they're listening (or reading as it were). They just bought a redbird sim for a week of remedial training prior to indoc. Do training captains need to be more friendly? Seems to be an individual thing to me as opposed to a "culture." I've had a spectrum of training captains in my career here. Some I grit my teeth and bear it (and appreciate the "tough love" that made me a better pilot) and others I totally admire for their professionalism and persistence which I try to emulate.

As for pilots who don't make it. There are plenty of us who cringe when someone with a great attitude doesn't make standards. It's a pity when we make generalizations without getting to know people, and it goes both ways (trainers and trainees).

Jetlife 02-19-2017 11:51 AM

I think a big hurdle that will be hard to overcome, is that the equipment, and the environment in which AMF operates is unique. Short of legitimately crewing all aircraft with paid, trained and qualified FOs and making a spectacular SOP, and changing the fleet to something more modern, I don't know if they can fix the issues.

The vast majority of new pilots are getting their certificates/ratings/hours in modern aircraft with modern equipment and flying in the modern environment. The disconnect between that and the way AMF flies, and the equipment they fly is large, and increasing. AMF isn't an easy flying job even if you are completely used to older equipment and avionics, I can't imagine learning on a G1000 with a good autopilot, then having to try and literally learn how to scan and fly all over again.

Whether or not is is a good move to start a career or not is a completely different discussion. The class pictures that are posted on IG and FB seem to indicate that more older pilots are coming to AMF. Whatever their backgrounds are I don't know...

Buying a Redbird means they are conscious of an issue, however if what was said above has any merit, it would indicate that they still aren't real concerned breaking that cultural stigma, and that would really really change things there I think.

That being said, if you are a crappy pilot, and you fail training, then it is your fault not AMF. I think lots of AMF alum know at least one person that was pushed through training (upper managements orders) that had no business flying single pilot IFR. Unfortunately the guy I am thinking buried himself into the Mazatal mountains in AZ. Failing training because you can't make the standard could be literally life saving. It isn't for everyone...

The training department was my biggest "system" pet peeve when I worked there. I had plenty of check airmen and training captains as friends, and I was a training captain. I would cringe at the way the company approached training, the mentality, the execution, and the disciplinary aura that came along with it. I know they have made changes so hopefully it continues to change.

KSCessnaDriver 02-19-2017 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by 1expat (Post 2304660)
Two good reasons to AVOID AMERIFLIGHT.
Antiquated equipment, single pilot in an aircraft designed for two pilots. Pilot funerals are depressing.
PRIA Do two pilot duties in old equipment with marginal training and you are setting yourself up for a failed check ride, which is exactly what Ameriflight wants. Ameriflight runs a washout program. Your PRIA record will haunt you when you interview with legitimate airlines.


Staunch post from a first time poster... Perhaps you can show us when the last fatal at AMF was.... Hint, it's been a few years...

Hand Commander 02-19-2017 03:33 PM

And it wasn't in an airplane designed for two pilots...

own nav 02-19-2017 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 2304959)
Staunch post from a first time poster... Perhaps you can show us when the last fatal at AMF was.... Hint, it's been a few years...

And it was the only one in the last decade. I almost hate to discuss it because a feeling of invulnerability based on a good track record doesn't do much to prevent future accidents. This is single pilot ops in old airplanes, plain and simple. And we need well qualified/trained pilots, with the challenge of finding them in the shortage.

I've made the same observation, Jetlife, the make up of our classes is getting older. A lot of our new hire pilots wouldn't fit the typical career builder persona of the past, ie trade low pay for experience to get you to the next level. Now we are putting new hires directly into type rated equipment (including the E120). The result, more experienced pilots who wouldn't have considered AMF under the old pay scale will now consider it given the pay and immediate opportunities.

The next step is to get them to stay around for a while, by delivering on the promise of 4 day work weeks and such.

1expat 02-20-2017 01:08 PM

Ameriflight
 
Go there, have and accident, or fail a check ride, because you are one person , not two. Then see how successful you are at getting with a career carrier. If that's all your career is worth to you, you deserve Ameriflight.
I suppose a safety record with no crashes since June 30, 2015 is what one should strive for.
Look at the Phoenix crash, 2012. The pilot was supposed to maintain currency in two different types of aircraft, a practice Amrieflight continues until this day. There is a reason, written in blood why 121 carriers are not allowed to do this.
Look at wikipedia. This is not worth the risk. Ever wonder what your new bride will look like dressed in black?

tlewis95 02-20-2017 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by 1expat (Post 2305474)
Go there, have and accident, or fail a check ride, because you are one person , not two. Then see how successful you are at getting with a career carrier. If that's all your career is worth to you, you deserve Ameriflight.
I suppose a safety record with no crashes since June 30, 2015 is what one should strive for.
Look at the Phoenix crash, 2012. The pilot was supposed to maintain currency in two different types of aircraft, a practice Amrieflight continues until this day. There is a reason, written in blood why 121 carriers are not allowed to do this.
Look at wikipedia. This is not worth the risk. Ever wonder what your new bride will look like dressed in black?

Yeah....yeah.

Or don't have an accident or checkride failure and know how to fly out of a wet paper bag instead. Ameriflight flying is basic IFR flying that anyone with a instrument rating should be able to do. The pass rate just shows how many people really shouldn't have instrument ratings.

1expat 02-20-2017 06:59 PM

I rest my case. Ameriflight management doing their best to ruin your PRIA record.


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