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Jetlife 09-10-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by KnotSee (Post 2428221)
Your posting history is very negative against AMF. You must of been fired or washed out of training to be so negative.

I'd think that single pilot in a twin is way harder than monitoring the autopilot on a 747 as you drone across the ocean. BWDIK?

There are AMF management on this forum and they hint of another type of flow to UPS that is being negotiated as we speak.

If I could get a flow to UPS, I'd leave my regional and go to AMF.

Very much did not wash out. I was a training captain as well but nice try junior. Sorry you take reality as negative, but thatís what it is, reality. Itís not about whatís harder, or because you fly brown boxes. Itís about what UPS management sees as the most competitive in a very rich hiring environment.

Again, hopes and dreams are great, and AMF used to love push fluff to the pilots, but itís very easy to look at facts and current hiring. If UPS starts a flow agreement that will be great, but if you think it will be lucrative enough for anyone to take advantage, I would tell you to think again. Just look at the current agreement. UPS picks just a few interns a year, you THEN have to be selected for the program with AMF, go though training, then check all the boxes of both programs.

frmrbuffdrvr 09-10-2017 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by pilotlyfe (Post 2427418)
Does Ameriflight pay for your ATP-CTP when you meet ATP requirements?


Originally Posted by SIUav8er (Post 2427431)
Why would they? An ATP is not required to fly for Ameriflight

Actually, there is a hiring bonus program which does include the ATP training. Ask a recruiter about it. I don't now the specifics.

collegedropout9 09-10-2017 11:22 PM

Single Pilot freight flying without a autopilot in twin Cessnas OR a Turboprop is one of the most challenging type of environments a pilot can fly in. It rates up there with NVG flying or vertical reference in a helicopter in my personal opinion. I found that once I moved into Jets with autopilots and flight guidance systems, I thought that my background of single
Pilot 135/freight made flying a Jet with an autopilot seem relatively easy. I am not sure why UPS/ FEDEX hiring departments do not value that experience, but they should. The 121 carrier I work at did value it on my application many years ago.

Jetlife 09-11-2017 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by collegedropout9 (Post 2428448)
Single Pilot freight flying without a autopilot in twin Cessnas OR a Turboprop is one of the most challenging type of environments a pilot can fly in. It rates up there with NVG flying or vertical reference in a helicopter in my personal opinion. I found that once I moved into Jets with autopilots and flight guidance systems, I thought that my background of single
Pilot 135/freight made flying a Jet with an autopilot seem relatively easy. I am not sure why UPS/ FEDEX hiring departments do not value that experience, but they should. The 121 carrier I work at did value it on my application many years ago.

I donít think anyone would argue they single pilot freight is the most challenging type of flying you can do professionally. It made me a really good pilot, that is for sure. Donít get UPS confised with flying flying freight in a Metro. Having your first jet be a heavy 76/77/74/A300 is a big jump and they have probably found it easier to hire those with considerable jet experience for that reason. If youíve never done real international, never flown a jet, never trained and flown in a real multi crew environment, never flown ETOPS etc it can be totally overwhelming to have to put that all together by the time IOE comes around.

As always, when the well runs dry of their ideal candidate, they will have to readjust their thinking. Thatís how the rest of the industry has adjusted and will continue to adjust.

KnotSee 09-11-2017 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2428514)
I don’t think anyone would argue they single pilot freight is the most challenging type of flying you can do professionally. It made me a really good pilot, that is for sure. Don’t get UPS confised with flying flying freight in a Metro. Having your first jet be a heavy 76/77/74/A300 is a big jump and they have probably found it easier to hire those with considerable jet experience for that reason. If you’ve never done real international, never flown a jet, never trained and flown in a real multi crew environment, never flown ETOPS etc it can be totally overwhelming to have to put that all together by the time IOE comes around.

As always, when the well runs dry of their ideal candidate, they will have to readjust their thinking. That’s how the rest of the industry has adjusted and will continue to adjust.

I've done research on this subject while at Riddle. UPS did endeed fly the Metro, witch they called the Expediter. In fact AMF flies them to this day. You can tell as they have UP as there reg. suffix.

But, UPS used a copilot with them, not single pilot like AMF.

Heavy pilots that I've talked to have said that heavies are easier to fly than smaller jets as they are least bothered by winds and gusts and less sensative on the controls.

I've taken ETOPS and CRM classes at Riddle and i'm familiar with how it operates.

Don't put all us young pilots in the same category. Some of us have the proper background and degree to make us competent and professional heavy jet pilots.

Jetlife 09-11-2017 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by KnotSee (Post 2428540)
I've done research on this subject while at Riddle. UPS did endeed fly the Metro, witch they called the Expediter. In fact AMF flies them to this day. You can tell as they have UP as there reg. suffix.

But, UPS used a copilot with them, not single pilot like AMF.

Heavy pilots that I've talked to have said that heavies are easier to fly than smaller jets as they are least bothered by winds and gusts and less sensative on the controls.

I've taken ETOPS and CRM classes at Riddle and i'm familiar with how it operates.

Don't put all us young pilots in the same category. Some of us have the proper background and degree to make us competent and professional heavy jet pilots.

Settle down dude, glad Riddle taught you everything you think you need to know, but it lacks one big thing, EXPERIENCE. UPS wants experience, Delta wants experience. And they want closely relatable experience. I fly the Airbus and itís light years easier than anything I flew at AMF as far as workload is concerned, but there are different considerations. Everything is different. Does it mean that you couldnít fly one tomorrow? Absolutely not! But again just be realistic, hand flying an ILS in a /A clapped out Metro gets you locker room high fives and respect. It will get you lots of jobs too but why on earth would they choose somebody flying a B1900 over somebody flying a 767 for Atlas or somewhere else?

KnotSee 09-11-2017 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 2428563)
Settle down dude, glad Riddle taught you everything you think you need to know, but it lacks one big thing, EXPERIENCE. UPS wants experience, Delta wants experience. And they want closely relatable experience. I fly the Airbus and itís light years easier than anything I flew at AMF as far as workload is concerned, but there are different considerations. Everything is different. Does it mean that you couldnít fly one tomorrow? Absolutely not! But again just be realistic, hand flying an ILS in a /A clapped out Metro gets you locker room high fives and respect. It will get you lots of jobs too but why on earth would they choose somebody flying a B1900 over somebody flying a 767 for Atlas or somewhere else?

Funny you mention UPS wanting experiance. The "flow thru" with AMF and UPS will take interns with just Comm/Inst/Multi and maybe a CFI and send them to AMF to fly for a predetermined period of hours in a "clapped out" Metro or other AMF plane and THEN flow directly to UPS.

Apparently, experiance is not too important for the intern flow thrus to go directly to UPS.

Studies have shown that structured training (like Riddle) will make up for lack of experiance.

Jetlife 09-11-2017 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by KnotSee (Post 2428576)
Funny you mention UPS wanting experiance. The "flow thru" with AMF and UPS will take interns with just Comm/Inst/Multi and maybe a CFI and send them to AMF to fly for a predetermined period of hours in a "clapped out" Metro or other AMF plane and THEN flow directly to UPS.

Apparently, experiance is not too important for the intern flow thrus to go directly to UPS.

Studies have shown that structured training (like Riddle) will make up for lack of experiance.

Yea how many interns are going through the program? Do you know? Cause I do. 2... 2 interns are testing this program and itís gonna take them years, if ever to be on UPS property getting a paycheck from UPS, flyin brown boxes.

You are the Riddle Rat that gives ERAU a bad name, and I have a degree from there. You donít know everything because you went to Riddle, quit acting like it. Typing what you assume and hope companies like UPS will do on a forum isnít gonna make it so, despite what your ERAU professors told you.

Oh and you say ďstudies show,Ē I would like you to link me one study that proves your statement.

own nav 09-11-2017 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by KnotSee (Post 2428139)
I heard that AMF has a flow thru agreement with UPS?

More like UPS has an internship program that utilizes AMF. Ie, if you are interested, work out the details with the UPS program before coming to AMF.

Cefiro 09-11-2017 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by KnotSee (Post 2428162)
Irregardless of weather UPS has a flow thru, why wouldn't they want to hire AMF pilots that fly feeder runs for UPS? They already know UPS system and the ins and outs of how they work. Plus they know how to fly at night.

Hahaha, best post ever. Never flown a jet, never flown glass, no CRM experience, no 121 experience. No problem, I know how to fly at night.


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