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own nav 02-12-2009 02:10 PM

RNav, I think you're the one missing the point. I'm sure if you ask any of our FOs why they're in the program, they're not going to tell you it's for a guaranteed interview. Instead, they'll probably tell you how much seminoles cost per hour at their local FBO, and give you a breakdown on how much money they're saving on multi time.

As far as companies wanting an FO, but not wanting to pay for them, and say that this FO program was AMF's scheme to get FOs without paying for them, you're wrong. In fact, you insult us. We're very competent flying single pilot. If an FO can fly with us without creating a hazard or a nuisance, we'll do it for a little compensation (yes, captains get paid extra for having them on the plane too).

papacharlie 02-12-2009 04:38 PM

hey guys what would you recommend me to do, the FO program or rent a plane with someone else and slipt the cost?
thanks

skatergeek 02-12-2009 06:04 PM

How much time do you need? If you are a CFI, I think you should get your MEI and get the time for free. I just think that if you are gonna spend money on multi time, atleast get a rating out of it.

papacharlie 02-13-2009 01:15 PM

I guess around 50 multi which if I share this with another pilot I will pay only 25 times $190 = $5000 .
Im not a CFI so if I select that route it is going to cost me a lot of money that I dont have now.

TangoBar 02-14-2009 12:18 AM

Having flown at least a couple hundred hours with several FOs in the PA31, I'd like to offer a few comments on the AMF side of the EJI program.

First, all the FOs I flew with were from overseas- they were building time prior to going back home and finishing up their certs, so there was no question of them replacing a paid position. Besides, we fly the PA31, BE99, SA227, and BE1900 single pilot, so there's never an issue of them taking the place of a paid crewmember.

Second, all the ones I have flown with were very professional, quite willing to help, well-prepared, and most importantly, made my job safer. Most of the time they chose to fly on the longest runs, the ones that go into the smallest airports with the crappiest approaches and are the most fatiguing.


I value having a second crewmember and actually using two-crew procedures, not just for the safety factor but because my next job WILL be a two-crew environment, and I want to have some experience before moving into that. I find that on any flight, if I have someone in the right seat, or if I'm riding with another pilot and acting as PNF, I fly better and think more about factors like weather, fuel, diverting, etc. That's counterintuitive, but I've found that having someone else who is part of the decision-making process helps me do a better job of making decisions.

I can't say if time-splitting or an FO program would be better, but I know that most renters don't get the experience that our FOs do- renters tend to fly in mild conditions, as time allows. We have real schedules to keep, customers to satisfy, ops specs to comply with, and we fly in almost any weather. Without considering cost, I would argue that the experience our FOs gain is more valuable than sharing a Seminole. I can't say if it's more marketable in terms of applying for a job, but I think you would learn more.

I'm not sure you would learn more by instructing- you DO learn a lot as a CFI or MEI, but it's not the same things. Instructing focuses heavily on the basics in an academic environment, and only some of that translates over. Instructing through dozens of ILS approaches from the right seat teaches something very different from making decisions when you have cargo on board, dwindling fuel reserves, and you've had to go missed on your first ILS approach.

papacharlie 02-14-2009 07:59 AM

Hey Tango bar are you from argentina? also how can I be one of those pilots on the right seat?

freightdog 02-14-2009 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by TangoBar (Post 559115)
Having flown at least a couple hundred hours with several FOs in the PA31, I'd like to offer a few comments on the AMF side of the EJI program.

First, all the FOs I flew with were from overseas- they were building time prior to going back home and finishing up their certs, so there was no question of them replacing a paid position. Besides, we fly the PA31, BE99, SA227, and BE1900 single pilot, so there's never an issue of them taking the place of a paid crewmember.

Second, all the ones I have flown with were very professional, quite willing to help, well-prepared, and most importantly, made my job safer. Most of the time they chose to fly on the longest runs, the ones that go into the smallest airports with the crappiest approaches and are the most fatiguing.


I value having a second crewmember and actually using two-crew procedures, not just for the safety factor but because my next job WILL be a two-crew environment, and I want to have some experience before moving into that. I find that on any flight, if I have someone in the right seat, or if I'm riding with another pilot and acting as PNF, I fly better and think more about factors like weather, fuel, diverting, etc. That's counterintuitive, but I've found that having someone else who is part of the decision-making process helps me do a better job of making decisions.

I can't say if time-splitting or an FO program would be better, but I know that most renters don't get the experience that our FOs do- renters tend to fly in mild conditions, as time allows. We have real schedules to keep, customers to satisfy, ops specs to comply with, and we fly in almost any weather. Without considering cost, I would argue that the experience our FOs gain is more valuable than sharing a Seminole. I can't say if it's more marketable in terms of applying for a job, but I think you would learn more.

I'm not sure you would learn more by instructing- you DO learn a lot as a CFI or MEI, but it's not the same things. Instructing focuses heavily on the basics in an academic environment, and only some of that translates over. Instructing through dozens of ILS approaches from the right seat teaches something very different from making decisions when you have cargo on board, dwindling fuel reserves, and you've had to go missed on your first ILS approach.

This was well thought out and well written. TangoBar, next time you get one of those good FOs send them down my way! There was an FO down here in ONT that just got hired right seat into the Brasilia and he was one of those GOOD FOs you speak of.
I do agree with you with respect to the experience our FOs get over splitting time, and it all depends on which Captain they fly with.

BTPM 02-15-2009 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 559270)
This was well thought out and well written. TangoBar, next time you get one of those good FOs send them down my way! There was an FO down here in ONT that just got hired right seat into the Brasilia and he was one of those GOOD FOs you speak of.
I do agree with you with respect to the experience our FOs get over splitting time, and it all depends on which Captain they fly with.

Hey Freightdog, hope all is well. I haven't talked to you in a while. BTW I forgot about Val getting the FO spot on the EMB120, but yep that's another one that we hired. Like I said in the previous post, you get out of a situation what you put into it. This FO saw an opportunity, went for it, and is now in a good spot and getting his career on track. What I don't get though is 121 guys that were hired on with less than a thousand hours lecturing us about the use of a pay for training FO program, when in fact most of those guys hurt the industry more, when they work for companies like Mesa or Pinnacle where the first year FO pay is below the poverty line. Anyhow, call me sometime and fill me in on what you have been up to.

freightdog 02-15-2009 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by BTPM (Post 559585)
Hey Freightdog, hope all is well. I haven't talked to you in a while. BTW I forgot about Val getting the FO spot on the EMB120, but yep that's another one that we hired. Like I said in the previous post, you get out of a situation what you put into it. This FO saw an opportunity, went for it, and is now in a good spot and getting his career on track. What I don't get though is 121 guys that were hired on with less than a thousand hours lecturing us about the use of a pay for training FO program, when in fact most of those guys hurt the industry more, when they work for companies like Mesa or Pinnacle where the first year FO pay is below the poverty line. Anyhow, call me sometime and fill me in on what you have been up to.

Roger Wilco, I see that Dignen gets his 1900 in MT. I'm sure he's happy.

friendlyskies 02-15-2009 11:32 AM

AMF still hiring? I sent my resume with 1400TT, 870 multi turbine, 500 PIC. Didn't hear back. What do I have to do to get noticed?

BTPM 02-15-2009 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 559675)
Roger Wilco, I see that Dignen gets his 1900 in MT. I'm sure he's happy.

Yep, I will be training him for the next couple of weeks. It will be fun to catch up and do a little flying together. What are you up to next week?

freightdog 02-16-2009 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by BTPM (Post 559707)
Yep, I will be training him for the next couple of weeks. It will be fun to catch up and do a little flying together. What are you up to next week?

TDY PHX for two weeks, home over the weekends.

freightdog 02-16-2009 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by friendlyskies (Post 559704)
AMF still hiring? I sent my resume with 1400TT, 870 multi turbine, 500 PIC. Didn't hear back. What do I have to do to get noticed?

have you tried calling yet?

1.800.800.4538

call her...see what she says

Sylvia Perez-Pilot Recruiter

skatergeek 02-16-2009 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 560165)
TDY PHX for two weeks, home over the weekends.

If you are doing TDY in PHX, does that mean they are short in that base?

friendlyskies 02-16-2009 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 560167)
have you tried calling yet?

1.800.800.4538

call her...see what she says

Sylvia Perez-Pilot Recruiter

Thanks, you dont think she'll mind? I think I read "NO CALLS" somewhere on the website.

hi208 02-16-2009 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by friendlyskies (Post 560290)
Thanks, you dont think she'll mind? I think I read "NO CALLS" somewhere on the website.

She won't mind at all. That is how I got my interview set up. If I had not called, ameriflight would not have called me.

Desert Sky 02-17-2009 02:02 AM

What are the odds of a new hire getting BUR?

freightdog 02-17-2009 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by skatergeek (Post 560191)
If you are doing TDY in PHX, does that mean they are short in that base?

Short on typed airplane Captains, but it's getting staffed out here.

freightdog 02-17-2009 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by RPJ80 (Post 560761)
What are the odds of a new hire getting BUR?

BUR seems to be staffed right now. BUR is always tough to get into unless there's a need for one or two pilots.

exerauflyboy5 02-17-2009 11:56 AM

Amf
 
What about OAK and PDX

freightdog 02-17-2009 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by exerauflyboy5 (Post 561083)
What about OAK and PDX

Doesn't hurt to call up and ask.

Blackwing 02-19-2009 11:37 PM

As far as hiring mins, is it just straight 135 IFR mins or is there a multi requirement too? If there is, how firm are they on that?

freightdog 02-20-2009 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 563277)
As far as hiring mins, is it just straight 135 IFR mins or is there a multi requirement too? If there is, how firm are they on that?

Competitive would be around 150-200 ME, but we've hired with less. This is all in the "Airlines" section on this site and on the Ameriflight.com website.

friendlyskies 02-20-2009 09:22 AM

What's the schedule like as a EMB FO in Cincinnati or Puerto Rico? Do you do the same run most of the time, i.e. layover during the day at the same place?

Chickenwolf 02-20-2009 12:08 PM

Can anyone elaborate on the Schedule for the SA-227 Captain in CVG. Thats the only postition that has pay I could survive on, plus I live about 1 hour from CVG. The Climb to 350 post says 3 weeks on 1 week of Monday PM to Sat AM. Does that mean you have to be at the airport on call the whole time. Is there a callout time or any home standby?

THX

freightdog 02-20-2009 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Chickenwolf (Post 563667)
Can anyone elaborate on the Schedule for the SA-227 Captain in CVG. Thats the only postition that has pay I could survive on, plus I live about 1 hour from CVG. The Climb to 350 post says 3 weeks on 1 week of Monday PM to Sat AM. Does that mean you have to be at the airport on call the whole time. Is there a callout time or any home standby?

THX

If you are sitting reserve then you are sitting reserve at the airport for about 12 hours. If you are doing a run during your three weeks on, then you will be going between whatever airports you are flying between and then airline home. Ottawa-Bedford is the "popular" run right now. ;-) No home standby, nice try, we live and die being able to get a backup aircraft somewhere if the primary aircraft breaks. If you are sitting "hot" reserve at the airport and you get a callout to recover a broken aircraft or a special for UPS, DHL, etc you usually have 20-30 min to get engines turning.

freightdog 02-20-2009 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by friendlyskies (Post 563528)
What's the schedule like as a EMB FO in Cincinnati or Puerto Rico? Do you do the same run most of the time, i.e. layover during the day at the same place?

Usual schedule Mon PM-Sat AM or M-F, with weekends off. Layover in the same place usually.

kobe123 02-20-2009 03:51 PM

Hey there. Just out of curiousity. Would I have a good chance and getting hired at ameriflight? I am at airnet for over a year, 2700 tt, 1000 multi, too much imc to log etc. etc. But would be looking for a captain position. Any response is much apreciated Thanks

PS any bases/domiciles in michigan area?

Laxrox43 02-20-2009 05:05 PM

Hey folks,

I've posted the same post in the Cargo section with no success...so here we go again for round two!!!

Are there any Brasilia drivers out there that could give me the low down on Ameriflights' SJU/CVG operation? (i.e. route structure, day or night flying?, QOL, upgrade mins/potential, schedule, any opportunities for OT?, MX, pilot moral, etc.) I know it's a crappy time to be restless with the way that the market is, but if I am going to be "stuck" somewhere for a few years, I would like to be happy and enjoy what I do.

Thanks

own nav 02-21-2009 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by kobe123 (Post 563805)
Hey there. Just out of curiousity. Would I have a good chance and getting hired at ameriflight? I am at airnet for over a year, 2700 tt, 1000 multi, too much imc to log etc. etc. But would be looking for a captain position. Any response is much apreciated Thanks

PS any bases/domiciles in michigan area?

If I were you, I'd put in for the CVG Metro. There's probably several others competing for that spot, good luck.

Ozpilot414 02-23-2009 01:19 PM

What are the different routes for the metro out of CVG? Cant really tell on the route map on the ameriflight web page. Thanks

jeepthrills 02-23-2009 03:05 PM

for the Ameriflighters....how long is "right" to wait before calling back on a resume submittal? I know the recording says a month...but is that really it? Granted I know there are higher time guys trying to get in...and I just hit 135 mins. thanks in advance.

exerauflyboy5 02-23-2009 03:48 PM

Little spoon
 
Please tell me you called that guy!!!!

HyPoXiKDeViL08 02-23-2009 04:49 PM

hey guys, i have an interview later this week.... does anyone have a good gouge that i can study? thanks

skatergeek 02-23-2009 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by HyPoXiKDeViL08 (Post 565714)
hey guys, i have an interview later this week.... does anyone have a good gouge that i can study? thanks

Where are you interviewing? You going to Burbank or doing it in PHX?

freightdog 02-24-2009 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by HyPoXiKDeViL08 (Post 565714)
hey guys, i have an interview later this week.... does anyone have a good gouge that i can study? thanks

Airline interview gouge and information, Pilot Job Resources - Pilot Jobs Board, Pay Rates, Interview Gouge, Forums, Recruiting

Do the research...

Be sure to study the Jeppesen glossary and introduction section and your IFR non-radar procedures and how to fly a full IAP. Most applicants blow it in the sim.

HyPoXiKDeViL08 02-24-2009 11:25 AM

thanks freight dog.... i appreciate the help!

HyPoXiKDeViL08 02-24-2009 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by skatergeek (Post 565749)
Where are you interviewing? You going to Burbank or doing it in PHX?

neither.... the YAY area! Oakland.

AVIATORCFI 02-24-2009 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by HyPoXiKDeViL08 (Post 565714)
hey guys, i have an interview later this week.... does anyone have a good gouge that i can study? thanks

When did you apply?
Thanks!

Scooter2525 02-24-2009 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by freightdog (Post 566085)
Most applicants blow it in the sim.

DUDE!!! I hadn't flown a 99 sim before... aight?! ;)


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