Okay, I have read this thread for too long and now I have to jump in. First off, Kimba (shaking my head). Wow. I've been at AMF for longer than I had originally planned on staying and longer than I care to share. I came with a fair amount of turbine experience and much more total time than ATP mins. My resume was lacking in a few areas so I came here to become a better all around pilot and prove to myself I could fly instruments, old school style. To each their own, but the regionals never and WILL never appeal to me so I chose the amf route, as I thought it would fit well with my situation. Hopefully I can clarify a couple of things for people interested:

I'm at a "senior" base. The last 4 or 5 pilots that have transferred in from other bases came in as 99 drivers and all were upgraded to the Metro in less than 6 months. A few of those guys have already moved on to other things. We are shorthanded now and will be in even worse shape in a couple of months. Metro upgrades will be VERY fast for those with the mins. 1900's are a little harder to get since there are half as many, but even those slots are being vacated and will be available quickly. If you're willing to move, you can quickly (probably a year to year and a half, depending on location) achieve that "magic" 1000 Hrs TPIC that everyone is so concerned with.

The TDY pilot is correct. Holding a normal route and with extra flying, I've never made less than 50k as a type rated captain. Become a training captain (nice on the resume), you'll make more. Not going to get rich, but its a decent paycheck, depending on where you live. If you go on the road TDY for the company, the per diem and extra paid days add up and I would expect to make closer to 60k. Granted, you'll be living in hotels for most of the year, but if you want to fly your butt off and build turbine time as well as make WAAAAAY more than a regional FO, its worth looking into. I did it for a bit. It was fun if you're single...

AMF is totally what you make of it. I made it through the financial crisis unscathed, while many a regional pilot came aboard and flew a chieftain until they were called back. I received my ATP for free as well as my first type rating. More importantly, I have a good quality of life. I get to participate in my favorite hobbies during the downtime, pretty much everyday. I've completed my degree during the downtime.

Its not a perfect company, but its not dangerous or scary or illegal. The long days can wear on people and the weather can suck, but the planes, although lacking nice paint(or any for that matter), work well and are maintained well.

I'm looking to move on myself as AMF has peaked for me as far as experience building goes and I would like to continue to progress further in aviation. At this point, I'm still not interested in chasing a 121 seniority number and I'm not willing to take much of a pay cut nor move very far for the next job. I guess by those standards, I'm not in any huge hurry:D Good luck to everyone and have fun!

I'm glad you had your good experience and I wish you the best.
The money that you are talking about are not the money you start with, but the one you make when and if the company needs you to upgrade and as you said if you are always on the road for the company, that lead me to ask how good was your quality of life when you were flying your butt off. Plus you were flying as a PIC training capt on TDY in a part 135 company, do you really think that you were paid appropriately? I don't think a pilot with your qualification makes 50k in a part 135 company.
Of course if you have never been attracted by a part 121 you'll prefer AMF by far, but you don't have both experience like I have.
Unfortunately you can see the difference not when you are in a company but when you leave one for another one and you can make a comparison.
My question is: if AMF is such a great place to work, why all this movement? Why so many pilots are leaving? Why pilot leave AMF to go regionals?

No TDY is not per diem and in other companies you get both.

GMAFB! First of all, why are you bringing Endeavor into this debate? If you went to Endeavor then you are simply on this thread trying to make yourself feel better about being at one of the most hated regionals right now. If you switch over to the Endeavor threads you will see how upset the Endeavor pilots that were hired before this agreement and are excluded.

P.S. You should continue to copy and paste or posts. This was the first post you've made that makes any sense.

I highly doubt any of your experience at this point.

Just an info to all the pilot that still think apply to AMF will take them to major like Delta, this is an info that I've just received and I thought it was good for everybody to know.
I'll continue copy and paste....

Sorry for you but I have both.
Can you answer any of my question? Can you bring any fact? Or only opinions?

I have brought in facts, more than you in fact. I encourage you to take the time and go back and read through my posts, thoroughly though this time.

You clearly have a bone to pick with people that don't share in your loathing towards AMF. I worked for a place before that left me feeling the same way you do now, don't worry the feeling will pass. You'll move on and won't think about it anymore. Holding a grudge doesn't help. Move on.

Yes, I've red your post but haven't find anything intelligent that you have said.
It won't be easy to forget AMF because your "I know everything kind of attitude" is the reason why AMF was not for me and it won't be easy to forget. It was full of super hero like you.
I will forget AMF in the future I just want to share my experience with others before they make my same mistake!

It can say whatever it wants on the expense report, every other company on the planet that pays per diem, does so at the start of a duty period, no matter where you are at. Do I not have to eat unless I am away from my normal base? And If I am on a several day trip, I accrue per diem 24 hours a day, not 8 hours.

I am not bashing AMF, just clarifying that the term per diem is misused as to the traditional sense.

And I have to comment on this specifically:

Whether you are physically flying or not, you are still on company time, you aren't off unless you are getting legal rest at your layover. I did the same thing as you, and worked on school during the day, which is nice to do, but it doesn't change the fact that you are gone from home, and at work for the company.

Can y'all just shut up and use this thread for facts that help people, not opinions and bickering that get no one anywhere.

Thanks

Sorry but no they can't. And i am being serious. Deal with it.

So the only PA31 lines layover in FLG, SAD and ABQ?

[QUOTE=Jetlife;1658060]It can say whatever it wants on the expense report, every other company on the planet that pays per diem, does so at the start of a duty period, no matter where you are at. Do I not have to eat unless I am away from my normal base? And If I am on a several day trip, I accrue per diem 24 hours a day, not 8 hours.

I am not bashing AMF, just clarifying that the term per diem is misused as to the traditional .

Better check that every other company on the planet statement because although unusual I have heard of this more than once and had it in offered in a company union negotiation.

So Kimba, have you applied at Endeavor for the EtD Commitment Program? Sounds like the path you've been looking for...

Good luck with that :rolleyes:

Outstations typically mean you live in the outstation. So you would be living in FLG and SAD layover would be PHX.

Correct, in theory, the FLG & SAD runs layover at night in PHX. ABQ laysover in ABQ during the day. Some people chose to live in the outstations when they are there, some people choose to drive back to PHX on the weekends from their outstation.

No, I did not because the domiciles they have don't work for me.
I'm ok in the regional where I'm right now and generally speaking, changing from regional to another doesn't make a lot of sense unless you don't have personal reasons.

I've copied and pasted the email I've received just to spread a news about a different way to get to a major without AMF.

By the way, have you applied AMF?

Shut up???
 

Why is he suppose to shut up?
So that AMF can continue fooling people talking about money that they won't have?
We are bringing fact, the only thing you can say is to shut up?

AMF attitude!!!

Yes I did, I attended their open house which I described a few pages ago. We agreed to "keep in contact" to see what positions might match up with my timing and domicile choice.

So that the grown ups can discuss the facts about the company, not listen to the opinions of a child, like a certain poster.

Good luck to you!

You look everything but grown!
Calling TDY per diem is misinformation that needed to be clarify.
This was explained by more people but it looks like you still don't get it.

Unfortunately at AMF you guys don't like critiques.

Kimba, the problem is that while AMF wasn't good or didn't work for you, it's good for some people. Not everyone has or will have the same experience as you. Your posts go beyond trying to be informative and at some point just become angry misinformed attacks. The purpose here is to provide information about the company with some personal opinions here and there but it's really up to the reader to decide if Ameriflight is a good fit for them or not. And for many people it can be. And on a serious note, your spelling and grammer could use some work. Thats not a personal attack, just some advice if you want to be taken more seriously. Good luck at your current regional of choice.

My grammar was good enough for AMF
 

When i specify that TDY is not per diem, is not misinformation.
When i specify the pay that you can get at AMF and i compare it to the one at the Regional I'm at right now, is not misinformation.
Can you deny any of the money related info that I (and not only I) have been trying to communicate on this forum between one offense and another?
Of course, who reads this forum will make is decision based on everybody's opinion, but if you don't let me say my opinion who reads this forum will be only mislead by info coming from one source only.
Unfortunately when AMF people hear something that they don't like the only thing they can do is offend the person and not the fact.
I'll work on my grammar that was good enough for AMF, for my actual job and most probably for the next one, how about you second language?

Just to come back on the money they pay at AMF when you do a Turbine PIC job in a part 135 company.
This is another copy and paste (I'm improving to make sure i don't make other mistakes) from another post that you guys can find always here under part 135.
It was posted by Vidra and it talks about King Air pilot pay in a part 135 company:

Average: $58,000
Low: $49,000
High: $72,000

Pro Pilot Magazine 2013 Salary Study

Are you still sure that you are paid what you are suppose to?

I'l agree with you that the pay isn't what it should be. But it's not terrible. I'm not starving by any means. Do you think regionals pilots get paid what they should be also?

Absolutely not!
 

That's why we are fighting with our Unions to have better pay and working condition. The pay is not everything at Regionals!

Unfortunately AMF has no Union and there is no way to have better pay unless pilots just stop applying AMF.
I saw for the first time AMF offering sign in bonus to pilot, am i right?

Yes there is a $1000 signing bonus for anyone new, $1500 bonus for someone with previous 135 experience, and a $2000 bonus for someone who's already typed in a 1900, Metro, or E120.

Better than nothing
 

A couple of Regionals are now offering 5000$ bonus at sign in, one is offering 12000$ signing in and retention bonus.

Of course all before taxes!!!

Oh, so you think a union is going to make everything wonderful kimba??? A good company with a moral obligation to it's employees doesn't need a union. But that's something for another thread.

Right another thread. Union was not my point.
Compensation in proportion to duties was.
AMF doesn't pay what it should and there is no union there to even try to do anything better.
The only way for AMF guys to have more money is to leave.
So sad for a company that is suppose to be the best in what they do!
If you think you are the best, hire the best and pay the best!
But that's another thread.

Anybody at Ameriflight fly for the Air Force Reserve or Guard? Seems like the schedule may not work too well for someone who would be required to be gone from time to time for military obligations. Is it possible?

I don't know a single pilot at Amf that also is military. Doesn't mean there aren't, doesn't mean you'll make it through the interview process either.
Illegal or not.

I also don't know if we currently have any. I know we have had them in the past. And we have worked with their schedule to accommodate their military requirements.

To close to the bottom of the page. ;-)

New optional Uniforms have arrived in BUR.

I'm sitting in the lobby at BUR Million Air, think I can have one?

the new hires that are being placed in a be99 still heading to OMA, DFW, or BUF right out of training?

I'm in training right now and we have 2 DFW and 1 SLC and maybe one other, but I forget where he is going.