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own nav 02-17-2015 03:27 PM

Minimums are 3000, but what's actually competitive? With a flow through, we already know the answer.

Jetlife 02-17-2015 03:33 PM

3000TT people are getting hired.

Honest question, has anyone used the preferential hiring to get hired there?

own nav 02-17-2015 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 1827278)
3000TT people are getting hired.

Honest question, has anyone used the preferential hiring to get hired there?

Not from my base. A handful of guys are eligable. If I were single, they would have my resume.

frmrbuffdrvr 02-18-2015 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1826842)
The Allegiant preferential interview agreement, with higher minimums than Allegiant is advertising for a street application.


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 1826967)
I have a buddy who has been trying to get in touch with the CP for months now to get his application in to Allegiant with no luck. He is unable to apply like anyone else would, so he is stuck. Higher minimums than Allegiant is even looking for on their own website. Plus I have to wonder how much of a conflict of interest it is to be hurting for pilots, and further reducing the pilot population at AMF by sending them to Allegiant...

Not that it matters, but I'm curious why he wouldn't be able to apply like anyone else without the endorsement.

Regardless, the minimums AMF lists for the recommendation are designed more to keep a pilot around here for a certain minimum time and not so much that Allegiant requires it. And that also addresses to the "conflict of interest" question. A big part of the program is to give guys an incentive to stay here rather than jumping to the regionals as soon as they can. And so it isn't a matter of "reducing" the pilot numbers at AMF but in fact trying to keep guys here for 1-2 years longer.

KSCessnaDriver 02-18-2015 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1827435)
Not that it matters, but I'm curious why he wouldn't be able to apply like anyone else without the endorsement.

Regardless, the minimums AMF lists for the recommendation are designed more to keep a pilot around here for a certain minimum time and not so much that Allegiant requires it. And that also addresses to the "conflict of interest" question. A big part of the program is to give guys an incentive to stay here rather than jumping to the regionals as soon as they can. And so it isn't a matter of "reducing" the pilot numbers at AMF but in fact trying to keep guys here for 1-2 years longer.

So its in the interest of the company, not the employee. Color me shocked. It looked good on paper when it was first announced, but as soon as Allegiant dropped their street advertised minimums to ATP minimums, it became a farce. Especially when people were leaving and being asked, if you stick around 6 more months can we interest you in the Allegiant deal? You want someone to walk away from a job they've presumably been offered for a shot at an interview at a carrier that appears on the surface to be nothing more than Ameriflight in the 121 world with jets?

The pilot group has seen right thru the garbage. It didn't slow attrition down at all, at least that was the case when I left a few months back. Heck, something like less than 25% of the pilot group is even qualified for it, IIRC. It's nothing more than a marketing gimmick to try to get fresh blood in the door. If it was a flow through, it would make it at least somewhat attractive to stay and endure the crap sandwich.

Jetlife 02-18-2015 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1827435)
Not that it matters, but I'm curious why he wouldn't be able to apply like anyone else without the endorsement.

Regardless, the minimums AMF lists for the recommendation are designed more to keep a pilot around here for a certain minimum time and not so much that Allegiant requires it. And that also addresses to the "conflict of interest" question. A big part of the program is to give guys an incentive to stay here rather than jumping to the regionals as soon as they can. And so it isn't a matter of "reducing" the pilot numbers at AMF but in fact trying to keep guys here for 1-2 years longer.

I am not at AMF so you would know more than I would, but from what I understand the agreement between AMF and Allegiant stipulates that an AMF employee cannot apply to Allegiant, the company has to submit your resume to Allegiant.

To address your second statement, the guy that I am referring to has been with AMF over 4 years. Several attempts to get the ball rolling between AMF and Allegiant has failed, and he has tried since the program was announced.

Jetlife 02-18-2015 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1827540)
So its in the interest of the company, not the employee. Color me shocked. It looked good on paper when it was first announced, but as soon as Allegiant dropped their street advertised minimums to ATP minimums, it became a farce. Especially when people were leaving and being asked, if you stick around 6 more months can we interest you in the Allegiant deal? You want someone to walk away from a job they've presumably been offered for a shot at an interview at a carrier that appears on the surface to be nothing more than Ameriflight in the 121 world with jets?

The pilot group has seen right thru the garbage. It didn't slow attrition down at all, at least that was the case when I left a few months back. Heck, something like less than 25% of the pilot group is even qualified for it, IIRC. It's nothing more than a marketing gimmick to try to get fresh blood in the door. If it was a flow through, it would make it at least somewhat attractive to stay and endure the crap sandwich.

Bingo. Make no mistake, it isn't even close to a flow through, but it is a great plan if it works. For guys who want to go to Allegiant after 3 years at AMF, hey that's cool. But guys are getting hired at Allegiant without the help of AMF, and with lower minimums and qualifications than what AMF requires. For the program to truly attract pilots to AMF, it has to actually work. I am legitimately curious if anyone from AMF has gone to Allegiant under this program, I hope they have. It is also true that this only qualifies for a small percentage of the pilot group in the first place. In this market right now, if you cannot get the CP to get the ball rolling for you, and you do not meet the AMF requirements to get an interview, than you worse off than if you didn't work at AMF because guys are getting calls with lower requirements.

frmrbuffdrvr 02-19-2015 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by Jetlife (Post 1827625)
I am not at AMF so you would know more than I would, but from what I understand the agreement between AMF and Allegiant stipulates that an AMF employee cannot apply to Allegiant, the company has to submit your resume to Allegiant.

That I hadn't heard. But if it is true, I can definitely see your point.

KSCessnaDriver 02-19-2015 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1827950)
That I hadn't heard. But if it is true, I can definitely see your point.

I asked around about if that was true or not before I left, and I couldn't get a firm answer one way or another from anybody I asked.

Jetlife 02-19-2015 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1828126)
I asked around about if that was true or not before I left, and I couldn't get a firm answer one way or another from anybody I asked.

Supposedly my buddy did ask and was told that it must be submitted from AMF to Allegiant by somebody. It makes total sense that it has to be that way for the system to work.

Filipinoflyer 02-21-2015 03:11 PM

Reqs
 
Hey guys,

Is it a requirement to have CFI to get hired by ameriflight? Thinking of sending my resume in for PA-31 upgrade program. Any additional info for reqs to be more competitive? Are there BE-99's, metros operating out of BUR?

Thanks

frmrbuffdrvr 02-22-2015 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Filipinoflyer (Post 1829460)
Hey guys,

Is it a requirement to have CFI to get hired by ameriflight? Thinking of sending my resume in for PA-31 upgrade program. Any additional info for reqs to be more competitive? Are there BE-99's, metros operating out of BUR?

Thanks

The only requirement for a CFI is if you are looking to get hired into the training department with less than part 135 minimums. For the PA31 Upgrade Program or line Part 135 captain you don't need a CFI.

BUR has 99s, metros and BE1900s.

To be competitive? Meet 135 requirements and be instrument current.

I'm not sure on the PA31 program if there are a certain number of openings or not. Best bet on that one is to call the recruiting department. They are actually at a different office than the headquarters right now and I don't have their number handy. Call 877-991-0940 and ask for Recruiting. They can give you the correct number.

FreightDogs 02-25-2015 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1830029)
The only requirement for a CFI is if you are looking to get hired into the training department with less than part 135 minimums. For the PA31 Upgrade Program or line Part 135 captain you don't need a CFI.

BUR has 99s, metros and BE1900s.

To be competitive? Meet 135 requirements and be instrument current.

I'm not sure on the PA31 program if there are a certain number of openings or not. Best bet on that one is to call the recruiting department. They are actually at a different office than the headquarters right now and I don't have their number handy. Call 877-991-0940 and ask for Recruiting. They can give you the correct number.

Recruiting telephone number is currently:

(817) 329-5012
or
(817) 329-5011

Gunbunny 03-11-2015 07:17 PM

Ameriflight is expanding and is hiring now. A class of 20 started indoc this month for PA31, BE99, B1900, EMB120 with plans for classes the next few months. Most new pilots start in the PA31 Chieftain and the company wants to dual qualify them in the BE99s after working for a few months and learning the AMF way. $34K to start with $1000 bonus within a year upon completing check rides and remaining with the company.

frmrdashtrash 03-11-2015 08:22 PM

What's the deal with the HSV run? I see a 1900 out there most of the time. I'm getting ready to get back in aviation after a 5 year 91K furlough and not sure how long it will last before I hate it again.

tcco94 03-11-2015 11:13 PM

What are the hiring minimums for SIC with Ameriflight? Or are they flying majority PIC?

frmrbuffdrvr 03-12-2015 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by tcco94 (Post 1841437)
What are the hiring minimums for SIC with Ameriflight? Or are they flying majority PIC?

The SICs we actually hire are in the E120s. There are no absolute minimums, but usually we are looking for around 7-900 hours TT with 100 hour ME.

We also have a PA31 Upgrade program. This does have a minimum 900 hours. It is a paid position flying right seat in a PA31 with the idea that we will get you to part 135 minimums (1200TT, etc) as quickly as possible and then you qualify as captain in our PA31 aircraft. All of the info for both of these is at www.ameriflight.com and then follow the "Careers" link to "Pilot Opportunities."

But primarily we are looking of Captains. Even both of these SIC positions are with the intent that we can get you into the left seat of one of our aircraft. We aren't looking for permanent SICs, even in the E120s. Which is why the pay scale for the 120 FO is capped after only 3 years.

KSCessnaDriver 03-12-2015 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by frmrdashtrash (Post 1841386)
What's the deal with the HSV run? I see a 1900 out there most of the time. I'm getting ready to get back in aviation after a 5 year 91K furlough and not sure how long it will last before I hate it again.

It's a metro (or was when left a few months back), based in MQY. Does MQY-SDF-HSV-MQY at night, 5 nights a week.

frmrdashtrash 03-12-2015 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1841780)
It's a metro (or was when left a few months back), based in MQY. Does MQY-SDF-HSV-MQY at night, 5 nights a week.


Thanks for the info.

FLYMIA 03-19-2015 09:36 AM

Are there any Metro, MIA based pilots on here that could tell me what QOL is like?

Flyin J 03-25-2015 06:21 PM

Is there an ameriflight run out of NW Arkansas. Maybe the Springdale Airport?

frmrbuffdrvr 03-30-2015 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by Flyin J (Post 1849654)
Is there an ameriflight run out of NW Arkansas. Maybe the Springdale Airport?

It isn't based OUT of there. It is a flight from DFW. Goes out in the morning M-F, stops in TUL and spends the day in ASG, returning to DFW at night.

ZapBrannigan 03-30-2015 07:49 AM

I keep waiting for a chance to commute to or from Dallas on that flight. Not sure how to get to or from where they park at DFW though. XNA is a bear for commuters so I tend to leave really early because I don't care for the drive to Tulsa.

KSCessnaDriver 03-30-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 1852776)
I keep waiting for a chance to commute to or from Dallas on that flight. Not sure how to get to or from where they park at DFW though. XNA is a bear for commuters so I tend to leave really early because I don't care for the drive to Tulsa.

On the west side, just to the south of UPS.

Flyin J 03-30-2015 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 1852776)
I keep waiting for a chance to commute to or from Dallas on that flight. Not sure how to get to or from where they park at DFW though. XNA is a bear for commuters so I tend to leave really early because I don't care for the drive to Tulsa.

I always had good luck commuting from XNA. It has been several years since I commuted though.

Flyin J 03-30-2015 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1852755)
It isn't based OUT of there. It is a flight from DFW. Goes out in the morning M-F, stops in TUL and spends the day in ASG, returning to DFW at night.

Thanks for the info.

AviatorG 03-30-2015 06:41 PM

Does Ameriflight have any Florida Bases?

Brazilian 03-30-2015 10:25 PM

In Miami


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frmrbuffdrvr 03-31-2015 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 1852776)
I keep waiting for a chance to commute to or from Dallas on that flight. Not sure how to get to or from where they park at DFW though. XNA is a bear for commuters so I tend to leave really early because I don't care for the drive to Tulsa.

Actually, the flight parks at the DHL parking abeam taxiway C9 on the west side of the airport. It departs ASG between 1830 and 1900, gets into DFW about 2100 after a stop in TUL. Return departs DFW between 0730 and about 0900, depending on how late the DHL jet is running.

Send me a PM with who you fly for and if we have a jump seat agreement with your company I can put you in touch with the folks who need to clear you to ride.

frmrbuffdrvr 03-31-2015 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1852830)
On the west side, just to the south of UPS.

That is where our hanger is, but this flight parks on the DHL ramp. It only comes to our hanger if MX is needed or if it is Friday night.

mk2aa 04-04-2015 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by FLYMIA (Post 1845752)
Are there any Metro, MIA based pilots on here that could tell me what QOL is like?

There are Metros based out of MIA. One EMB-120. Flights are for FedEx and UPS. Typical long days. 12-15 hrs a day. Most guys use to fly just 3 days a week and be reserve the other two days there but with the shortage of pilots in the company a lot of MIA guys have been TDY to other bases. The remaining pilots there are flying 4-5 days a week. On duty either 5-6 days a week. Reserve if there are any is ready reserve at the airport. Thats pretty much standard company wide. Reserve times vary from base to base but some places like CVG you sit reserve at the airport in uniform for 12 hours. MIA you usually sit reserve for 4-7 hours depending on the day and situation.

Champeen07 04-06-2015 07:05 AM

I know this has been said on here in the past, but with 242 pages to look through it is hard to find. What is the starting pay for a PIC on the 99? And what are the chances of getting hired directly into one based at DFW with just over the 135 mins, but with lots of multi time?

GunnerV 04-06-2015 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 1856716)
I know this has been said on here in the past, but with 242 pages to look through it is hard to find. What is the starting pay for a PIC on the 99? And what are the chances of getting hired directly into one based at DFW with just over the 135 mins, but with lots of multi time?

34k/yr for the 99, 45k for the 1900 and Metro. Upgrades times are less than a year lately. We need pilots in DFW right now so your timing is good. PM me your resume and I'll get the ball rolling for you if you want.

frmrbuffdrvr 04-07-2015 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 1856716)
I know this has been said on here in the past, but with 242 pages to look through it is hard to find. What is the starting pay for a PIC on the 99? And what are the chances of getting hired directly into one based at DFW with just over the 135 mins, but with lots of multi time?


Originally Posted by GunnerV (Post 1857153)
34k/yr for the 99, 45k for the 1900 and Metro. Upgrades times are less than a year lately. We need pilots in DFW right now so your timing is good. PM me your resume and I'll get the ball rolling for you if you want.

Actually, you can probably get a 99 in TEXAS. But there are no BE99 positions where you actually are STATIONED in DFW. The Texas BE99 runs are all out station runs from Vernon, Pampa, Lubbock and Brownwood TX. There are three positions based in Lubbock and one in each of the other cities.

Champeen07 04-07-2015 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr (Post 1857197)
Actually, you can probably get a 99 in TEXAS. But there are no BE99 positions where you actually are STATIONED in DFW. The Texas BE99 runs are all out station runs from Vernon, Pampa, Lubbock and Brownwood TX. There are three positions based in Lubbock and one in each of the other cities.

So does that mean you are stationed living in those cities? I live in Dallas now and dont want to move, so what are the chances of being stationed at DFW?

FreightDogs 04-07-2015 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 1857318)
So does that mean you are stationed living in those cities? I live in Dallas now and dont want to move, so what are the chances of being stationed at DFW?

Zero. There just aren't any 99s based here, as stated above.

Champeen07 04-07-2015 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by FreightDogs (Post 1857383)
Zero. There just aren't any 99s based here, as stated above.

So what equipment is based at DFW? Thats the only base I would consider flying out of.

frmrbuffdrvr 04-07-2015 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Champeen07 (Post 1857394)
So what equipment is based at DFW? Thats the only base I would consider flying out of.

Metros and BE1900s. We do hire direct to those planes if you have enough experience, but primarily to bases that have problems filling those slots from within, which DFW is not currently one of.

And by experience we are talking probably over 2000 hours with at least 400 - 500 hours turbine PIC.

Ekupilot 04-07-2015 06:34 PM

Heard the other day the ABQ base maybe closing soon. The ACP quit and AMF is struggling to staff it.

Lasko 04-13-2015 11:03 AM

Sounds about right. I guess after one of their Beech 99's geared up, among many other issues, the Assistant Chief Pilot decided to run! Over expanding has consequences...


Originally Posted by Ekupilot (Post 1857693)
Heard the other day the ABQ base maybe closing soon. The ACP quit and AMF is struggling to staff it.



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