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Old 12-05-2007, 11:10 PM
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Got the call last night that everyone hates to get... a Caravan crashed coming out of LCK in Columbus Ohio Wednesday morning in incliment weather, killing the pilot and passenger. I use to work for AirNet and was based out of Rickenbacker, so I knew it couldn't be good. The aircraft was operated by Castle Aviation, and was on a charter flight for AirNet to BUF. Killed in the crash were the pilot for Castle as well as an AirNet pilot who was catching a ride home to BUF. I had met the AirNet pilot during my employment there, and he was a really great guy. A truly tragic loss.

My heart goes out to the family, friends and fellow employees of those lost. May they continue to fly on wings of Angels.

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http://www.10tv.com/?sec=&story=site...954794829.html
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:05 AM
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That is terrible to hear, I'm taking lessons out of CAK and see the Castle Caravans sitting on the ramp all the time.
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:42 AM
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RIP and my prayers to the families
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:26 PM
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Old 12-06-2007, 09:35 PM
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Being from the Buffalo area (and my dad knowing someone related to the passenger from Blasdell), I have special sympathies to this accident. I remember last year when an Airnow pilot from Buffalo I knew was killed on a missed approach at Bennington, VT (DDH) last year. It's a very risky business we operate in. I know we always try to put safety in front of all our operations but it's diffucult when we are trying to satisfy a paying customer. I'll be entering the Part 121 business in a couple weeks and hope I never have to face a safety vs. satisfying the customer situation again.
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Old 12-07-2007, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mjarosz View Post
I'll be entering the Part 121 business in a couple weeks and hope I never have to face a safety vs. satisfying the customer situation again.
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Honestly, in the Airlines they are going to want you to go into stuff just as much as any other operator. Planes don't make money unless they are flying. It is a reality and a huge responsibility put on the pilots everywhere, in every type of operation. Doesn't matter if it's 91, 121, or 135, so be on your A-game during poor weather, make the confident and experience appropriate decisions, and you should be fine, but there's always the unexpected which catches us all off guard. Lessons you learn as you go, and sometimes those lessons can give a false sense of security at that. Safe flying everyone
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:31 PM
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It doesn't sound as if this aircraft went down primarily due to weather related causes. It may have been fuel or loading, as a speculation. Weather would seem to be only a contributing factor. In any case our condolences to the families.

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Old 12-09-2007, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer View Post
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Honestly, in the Airlines they are going to want you to go into stuff just as much as any other operator. Planes don't make money unless they are flying. It is a reality and a huge responsibility put on the pilots everywhere, in every type of operation. Doesn't matter if it's 91, 121, or 135, so be on your A-game during poor weather, make the confident and experience appropriate decisions, and you should be fine, but there's always the unexpected which catches us all off guard. Lessons you learn as you go, and sometimes those lessons can give a false sense of security at that. Safe flying everyone
Perhaps at mesa or a few other bottom-feeder 121 operations. The larger jet regionals almost never argue if a captain says no go. With Mx it's easy...once you are on record making the phone call (it's all recorded) they can't try to talk you into flying a with non-mel issue.

The only grey area might be weather that is technically barely OPSPEC legal but out of the CA's comfort zone. Ex. Poor braking action with precip and a 25 kt xwind on the only available runway. A CA can make the argument that two near-limitations factors are a no go when combined together. Or you can take a lot of gas, go have a look, and divert or RTB if it looks sketchy.

Most 121 is MUCH safer than 91/135, except the fractionals are pretty safe too.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Perhaps at mesa or a few other bottom-feeder 121 operations. The larger jet regionals almost never argue if a captain says no go. With Mx it's easy...once you are on record making the phone call (it's all recorded) they can't try to talk you into flying a with non-mel issue.

The only grey area might be weather that is technically barely OPSPEC legal but out of the CA's comfort zone. Ex. Poor braking action with precip and a 25 kt xwind on the only available runway. A CA can make the argument that two near-limitations factors are a no go when combined together. Or you can take a lot of gas, go have a look, and divert or RTB if it looks sketchy.

Most 121 is MUCH safer than 91/135, except the fractionals are pretty safe too.


I am going to go ahead and have to disagree..... Yeah..... (in my best Bill Lumburgh voice). AirNet is not your mom and pop 135 company. As a former pilot there, i can attest that the training there is just as good as the training I am getting at my LCC 121 major airline driving a 737. I would rather commute on an AirNet learjet with pilots who have been there, done that and have the t-shirt rather than your ERJ/CRJ with a 500 hour wonder kid as the FO at your regional of choice.

As far as the loading and fuel quality. From an AirNet source close to the investigation, we know that the Jet A-1 (they use phillips pre-mix jet a) was tested that day and that the caravan was sprayed with 150 gallons of Type 1 4 mins prior to recieving his TAKEOFF clearance. BTW the Type 1 was also analyized post accident and found to be in spec. As for the loading, AirNet weighs every bin as it comes out of the sort so I don't think it was a weight issue and with 1270 hours in a Caravan, if it is underweight, it really doesn't matter where it goes, it will fly.

Why don't we quit monday morning QB'ing this in respect to Mike and James and those of us who knew them and let the NTSB do their job.
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Why don't we quit monday morning QB'ing this in respect to Mike and James and those of us who knew them and let the NTSB do their job.
Thanks for the post. I came from the 135 world, interviewed at Airnet and knew many of the pilots from the many stops where I'd see them there also(BKL, FWA, MDW mainly). I know they have a really tight rope around how things are brought in, loaded, and shipped out. Rather impressive system really.

Nothing is listed on the NTSB site yet, so wonder how long before we get any more info.
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