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Old 09-17-2008, 05:30 PM   #1  
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Ok, so I'm sitting in the right seat of a C-421 on Friday for a 135 Charter... If the guy in the left seat has his ATP (and 135 single pilot IFR mins of course), can I log the flight as dual/company training received?
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Are you an employee of the 135 operator? Are you qualified as SIC on that aircraft? Does the aircraft have a working autopilot?
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Are you an employee of the 135 operator? Are you qualified as SIC on that aircraft? Does the aircraft have a working autopilot?
I guess I would be considered an employee... No I'm not qualified as SIC (in the sense I have not taken a 135 SIC checkride, but yes I do have my multi-commercial instrument), and yes it has a working autopilot.
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hmmm... I would say dual received SIC.

To log PIC on a 135 flight you would need a current 135.293, .297, and .299

If the flight was for the aircraft owner (Part 91) it would be a different story.
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Yeah I know there is no way I can log PIC time on revenue legs, but can it be logged as dual given?

I'm planning on flying and logging the dead legs tho.
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The only way you can log that in the SIC column is if the ops spec for the 135 certificate says an sic is required, only because a 421 doesnt require two pilots, or as pointed out if there is no autopilot. If you arent 135 current and have not taken a check ride you can only log the dead legs.
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Look at the SIC/autopilot requirement slightly differently: Does it read that an autopilot is required, but may be waived unless you have a SIC, or a SIC is required but may be waived if you have an autopilot?

I think that you will find there is a Requirement for a SIC (under IFR). Which the operator may choose not to waive, despite the presence of an autopilot. Which would allow you to log all the time as SIC. I would only log dual given if the PIC were actually conducting some formal training, like IOE.
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Not looking to hijack, but...

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Yeah I would think you can log the dead legs only if you aren't 135 current/checkride, etc...

To add to this logging time question with a little bit of a different senario...I did a search on this topic and did find a few confusing thoughts on it...Part 91 gig-Corporate company with a King Air 300 in the right seat? Would it be logging SIC and multi turbine time if the PIC has the "SIC required" on his type rating?
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Ok, so I'm sitting in the right seat of a C-421 on Friday for a 135 Charter... If the guy in the left seat has his ATP (and 135 single pilot IFR mins of course), can I log the flight as dual/company training received?
I guess the first question I would ask is if the pilot in the left seat is an MEI? Just a thought towards the dual question received...

"Part 91 gig-Corporate company with a King Air 300 in the right seat? Would it be logging SIC and multi turbine time if the PIC has the "SIC required" on his type rating?"

First thing to check on the -300 is the mtow, if I remember correctly it's close to 14,000 lb. putting it over the 10,500 rq.'d for the a type?

just my .02, I like playing devils advocate once and a while...
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