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kdoremus 09-19-2008 05:33 PM

Dayjet Dies!
 
http://www.dayjet.com/

could have seen that one coming from a mile away...

Good luck to all those pilots out there

Phaques 09-19-2008 06:00 PM

Good opportunity to buy an eclipse cheap?

willflyforcash 09-19-2008 08:12 PM

interesting coincidence - i read an article in USA Today a few days ago about an investigation into the FAA having certified the eclipse jet without meeting proper safety standards.

clyde101 09-20-2008 08:21 AM

Sign of the times and very unfortunate. Best wishes to the DayJet folks.

Trufactor7 09-20-2008 11:37 AM

I hate to see those guys go..i met one of the pilots in Ocala,Fl and he was a real nice guy..he took the time after his shift to show me the a/c...the eclipse jet look like a nice little cozy jet to fly

GolfKilo 09-20-2008 12:26 PM

Great.....more pilots on the "bread lines".

rickair7777 09-20-2008 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by willflyforcash (Post 465125)
interesting coincidence - i read an article in USA Today a few days ago about an investigation into the FAA having certified the eclipse jet without meeting proper safety standards.

I think they got a waiver for single-engine climb performance...as in they don't have any. They let them use the light piston twin standard, ie both engines are required in order to survive the TO.

ChinookDriver47 09-20-2008 04:55 PM

Bad market research and a hell of a gamble. They never posted a profit since their inception. Good idea, bad economy.

rickair7777 09-20-2008 07:32 PM

What never made sense to me was the labor part of the model...tiny as those things are, they are REAL turbojets, and require real turbojet pilots. How did they expect to afford that with only 1-2 paying pax?

There are plenty of reasons to chose a regional over an air-taxi operation, so they would have to beat regional pay in the long term.

Maybe the assumption was tips...large ones, in cash.

mooney 09-20-2008 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 465586)

There are plenty of reasons to chose a regional over an air-taxi operation, so they would have to beat regional pay in the long term.

Maybe the assumption was tips...large ones, in cash.

It was more QOL issue. Home every night, no weekends....pay a little more than a 121 turboprop CA, but less than RJ CA.

Phantom Flyer 09-21-2008 05:56 PM

Who's Next ?

I hate to say it but with the current economic conditions and the price of crude oil futures slowly starting to inch up.....

Hope I'm wrong.

G'Luck Mates

AirTrucker 09-22-2008 04:23 AM

Well, looks like the same this is happening in aviation that is happening in trucking. Once we have a few failures we will have a decrease in capacity and the survivors will benefit from it. Right now my small trucking company is weathering the storm of high oil and a slow shipping year. So far we have seen several good sized & small financially unstable trucking businesses bite the dust and countless financially unstable owner operators also bite the dust. Once freight picks up and capacity is reduced then the surviving carriers will prosper. I have a feeling that the aviation industry will experience the same results. I sure hope so I would like to be able to get some 135 time well by business is small. Good luck to anyone who is negatively affected by this I can only hope the best for them!

BeezerJg34 09-22-2008 04:59 AM

I think this was sad for DayJet and for the pilots/personnel that worked there. Good luck to all of you. The economy abosultely contributed to the lack of growth at DayJet, it was one of those ideas that came in to business at the wrong time. The inabilities and false promises of the Eclipse didnt help the company either. It takes a good airplane to grow a good business...the Eclipse is more of a paper weight than a "real" airplane.

AirTrucker 09-22-2008 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by BeezerJg34 (Post 466250)
I think this was sad for DayJet and for the pilots/personnel that worked there. Good luck to all of you. The economy abosultely contributed to the lack of growth at DayJet, it was one of those ideas that came in to business at the wrong time. The inabilities and false promises of the Eclipse didnt help the company either. It takes a good airplane to grow a good business...the Eclipse is more of a paper weight than a "real" airplane.

I agree with that!

Ewfflyer 09-22-2008 07:15 AM

I think Dayjet was day-dreaming with their inception. Using 2 pilots in a plane that can't carry more than 4 people total for weight? Then doing short-hops in a turbine aircraft, yikes!!!! They should've just bought a bunch of G1000 Barons and at least not ate it with fuel and staffing. Even in a good economy, they weren't going to survive IMO.

I'm not saying the jet isn't a bad airplane, but unfortunately it's had tons of issues that weren't resolved before delivery. The airframe, in my opinion, is a work of art and is very well done. Unfortunately their systems are something left to be desired, which has been the killer all around.

Spaceman Spliff 09-23-2008 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Phaques (Post 465068)
Good opportunity to buy an eclipse cheap?

You couldn't pay me enough to buy one of those pigs.

Those clowns will be the next to go under. Bad news for the employees, with whom I sympathize, but the product is terrible.

BeezerJg34 09-23-2008 05:27 PM

Hot off the NY times press: Eclipse will move the operation to Russia due to "economic/funding difficulties"...I say the Russians can keep it.

proskuneho 09-23-2008 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by BeezerJg34 (Post 467351)
Hot off the NY times press: Eclipse will move the operation to Russia due to "economic/funding difficulties"...I say the Russians can keep it.

Perhaps the Russian Mafia will take majority share in the company (Eclipse). It will certainly not have any difficulties with type certification there like it has here. :eek:


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