Yeah, like I am the only one in 56 pages of the thread to say anything bad about the Seapot.

Funny enough there is a poster here in this thread defending the company who is well known for his desperation to leave Seapot. Talk about 2 faced.

And Grant? Really? I "bailed" on Grant? Like you have any clue what you are talking about. You're not an employee of either company so you have no clue other than what you think you read on Internet forums.

I am unfortunately wrapped up in the bankruptcy. So while I would love to put my time at Seapot behind me that's not an option. The company still owes me pay, among many others, that I will likely never see. Meanwhile I watch many other current and former employees as well as creditors get screwed over by the company.

Anyone thinking of joining Seapot should take a read through of their bankruptcy filings. Anyone can get access to Pacer (pacer.gov) Its a very interesting read. With a lot of money still owed that they can't get out of through bankruptcy.

Just as an example the company actually has a HR policy of screwing over pilots. The following is quoted directly from their HR manual.

Upon termination of employment, employees will be paid for unused PTO that has been earned, provided the employee successfully completed their introductory period. In addition, if SeaPort terminates employment for cause, or if insufficient notice of resignation (less than two weeks) is given, forfeiture of unused PTO may result.
o The payout for scheduled flight crew shall be in the form of earned hours converted into a daily rate for Alaska pilots.
o The payout for scheduled flight crew in the lower 48 shall be paid at the rate of one hour flight pay for every 2 hours of PTO earned.

So anyone else gets their full PTO, but pilots only get 1/2 their PTO. Really? What possible reason would Seapot have to single out pilots and only give them 1/2 their earned pay when they leave the company. I can't imagine any valid reason for the company to do so. If anyone else can please do.

But thats just one example of how Seapot screws over its pilots. And no its not legal for them to do that even in bankruptcy.

However as I am a big enough to admit when I am wrong I do need to correct an error I made. I was told directly by the CEO of Mokulele airlines (Seaports Former CEO) that they were to be awarded PDT. Apparently that was incorrect. He an I spoke over the weekend and apparently they pulled out of bidding for PDT a day or two before bids were due. So its possible that Seapot will actually keep PDT. I am told that Boutique also put in a bid.

If you are a secured creditor you may see pennies on the dollar. If you are an unsecured creditor, as employees often are, you will see nothing.

You got kicked in the 'nads, which sucks, but let's put it in perspective: you did not lose 90% of your pension as many USAir pilots did when their company went into bankruptcy. Think of the guys who were a year away from retirement who lost practically all of their retirement benefit. So when it comes to getting screwed, your loss, while unfortunate, pales in comparison to what a whole bunch of people experienced.

Putting your time at Seaport behind you is an option. But you prefer to wallow in self-pity and you come here to do it. You're in your mid-forties: will you still be *****ing about losing a few thousand dollars when you retire in 20 years? I hope not. I hope you can learn to move on and enjoy today instead of being bitter about something that is behind you and can't be changed.

No dude, I am a witness and a creditor. I couldn't walk away if I tried. But I can't go into detail due to the litigation.

Nor am I wallowing in self-pity. I am trying to be productive member of the pilot community. This company is crap and I am trying to provide fellow pilots with the information to make an informed decision about being locked into a year long contract with them. Isn't that the whole point of these forums, to provide or find information about companies?

BTW, I didn't get "kick'ed in the nads" as you put it. I quit the company before the bankruptcy. You have no clue about what you are talking about.

Your altruism and concern for your fellow man is genuinely inspiring. If only we all could be as caring as you.

:rolleyes:

For allegedly operating three single-engine Cessna Caravans when they were not airworthy...

FAA Proposes $500,000 Civil Penalty Against SeaPort Airlines

Ooops... :eek:

guess this means the owner will start siphoning money from ADI into SeaPort to pay that fine, which can't be part of the bankruptcy proceedings....

Not sure if ADI has funds to siphon

Remind me how Seaport isn't a dirtbag operator again?

Like SeaPort is the only airline to have fines levied against it? :confused:

SouthWest
https://www.faa.gov/news/press_relea...m?newsId=16754

Delta
https://www.faa.gov/news/press_relea...m?newsId=13773

American
FAA may seek up to $162.4 million in fines from American Airlines | Dallas Morning News

FedEx
https://www.faa.gov/news/press_relea...m?newsId=18934


So though it may be, it should be clear that they are not the first, and undoubtably the last, that will be in those same shoes.

Plus - if the oversights/lack of inspections performed were the actions of one employee then it would hardly be fair to lay a stain on the entire operation.

Well said!


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Sure, Seapot isn't the first to have a fine levied against it. They have plenty of friends in the penalty box having been fined by the FAA but does that in any way make the act acceptable given that lots of people are doing it?

Lots of people steal. Does that make it ok?

The idea that the acts were the result of one employee is preposterous. So only one person in a company with 3 bases on opposite sides of the country (JNU, MEM, and PDX) and at the time 20+ aircraft is responsible for all those inspections? Really? Does it make any sense that ONE SINGLE PERSON would be the person responsible for all those inspections? Or is that person who is no longer with the company (Fired I think in Dec of 2014?) maybe an easy scapegoat? Is it possible the real problem lies in the management and procedures in place?

Seapot also systematically went through directors of maintenance every few months. I think during my time there we had 5 or 6 directors of maintenance in about 9 months.

You may think it's a stupid question, but would you guys recomend joining Seaport as a f/o? with all this pros/cons said

You're kidding, right?????

Do what you think is best for your family and your career. You and only you can make that decision. No workplace is perfect!


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I'm single, with no family at all in this country, so I just need to find a decent place in order to get my 1500h :D

No I'm not, I'm trying to get different points of view. If I only read your post, then I would never consider joining. But if I read other posts in APC, I wouldn't be a pilot, I would just change careers, so yeah....more than white or black in this life.

That's a great attitude you have. I hope you get all the info you need to make an informed decision. Good luck!


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With a two year training contract?

No way.

well, I'm 400 TT, unless I get my CFI and do 100h/mo, it wouldn't take much less to hit the 1500h. 1.5 years maybe.....6 extra months is nothing, after I waited 9 years since I got my EASA CPL in 2007.

if flying that caravan, or a pc12, etc....if it's gonna make me a better pilot, then I'll join a regional with 2000h instead of 1500h, big deal.

Thanks! :rolleyes:

Does little Ace (Alaska Central Express) still hire low time SICs to fly the 1900? I know they fly a lot of hours, and I'd argue that building 1000+ hours at ACE would be better experience than what one would get at Seaport.

I will find out!, sounds awesome. And single I'm single/no kids, just a few boxes.....I can move anywhere!.

I had the same mentality. I hit 1,000 hours and wanted out immediately. You'll be the same way. Trust me. I would go to somewhere like Ameriflight or some other cargo/ Part 135 operator. These EAS "airlines" are all rough gigs. If those government subsidies dry up out of nowhere you're out of a job.

Won't he get more hours/month flying EAS than cargo?


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2 years? I thought it was only 1 year?

I'd freaking love flying a Brasilia for Ameriflight, but minimum is 500h TT and I'll be 400h TT in 2 weeks so.....not a ton of flexibility.

I know things are pretty at this level, and there are probably more cons than pros, but it's not like a have a choice honestly. A Twin Otter in the Grand Canyon sounds good as well, but zero IFR, and they only need captains right now.

SInce I live in Denver, it'd make sense to join Boutique, if they gave me the chance of course. Growth and nice plane, and of course pros/cons like everywhere else.

I'll go wherever I get hired honestly. I'm pretty sure I won't get 10 job offers with 400h TT :)

Check is Corporate Flight Management is hiring Jetstream FOs...

Love that plane, but I see in their web 1000h TT and 200h ME for F/O.

Seaport is a one year contract.

That's good. I believe they are FO heavy right now so anyone applying must be patient.


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One year makes more sense, no doubt. I'd choose 1 year over 2, but we'll see if I get to choose lol

I know for fact they have hired guys with less time than that. I had multiple FOs with less than that in my right seat. I'll ask the CP about it.

Utilize any opportunity, try to fit in, move on from there. You can rarely forecast development.

good advise, thanks!

Thanks!. Company looks really solid, and that plane is beautiful.

Denver needs captains more than anything right now. They'll fly your tail off there. One year contract. PC12 is a bad ass airplane.

Sounds good to me!. I come from years of construction, 12-14h shifts, 6 days a week, waking up at 4am haha, so I ain't scared and I think I'm prepared to "suffer" :D

I was wondering how does Seaport pay their FO? Is it by the Flight Hours or set monthly pay weather you fly 30 a month or 75 a month? Additionally, what the current rate for the FO and if anyone know if they need FO for the PDX base? I live out in the Northwest and though of maybe apply for them so I could start building time and get the experience on flying a Cessna Carvan. Thanks.

Look at their route map on their website. They have lost the majority of their routes. They no longer have a PDX base.


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