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RiddleEagle18 03-19-2009 03:06 PM

Red Wing Aero?
 
Anyone? Pay? QOL? They do maint in Wisconsin and they also fly a citation. Just wondering if anyone knows anything about the charter side?

Spoilers 03-19-2009 03:12 PM

You must have seen the ad on Climbto350. I think it's strange they only require a Commercial Multi and 1000 TT to be an SIC in a Ciation, while every other company requires a type rating and type in type. Maybe they have a high turnover rate or something or crappy SIC pay or no pay? The mins. just seem a little low for this job, especially in this economy.

RiddleEagle18 03-19-2009 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 581130)
You must have seen the ad on Climbto350. I think it's strange they only require a Commercial Multi and 1000 TT to be an SIC in a Ciation, while every other company requires a type rating and type in type. Maybe they have a high turnover rate or something or crappy SIC pay or no pay? The mins. just seem a little low for this job, especially in this economy.

Yea it just seems like a weird post in general. The "this is a 135 job if you cant fly 100 hours a month and be gone 20 days" thing kinda turned me off but im just trying to find someone with some first hand knowledge.

skatergeek 03-19-2009 03:55 PM

I know somebody who used to work there. He really liked it until he tried to leave. They pulled some wierd stuff to get him to stay. They told him that he over flew a VOR check one time a while back and would report him to the FAA if he quit and stuff like that.

CRJDriver 03-19-2009 04:47 PM

I don't even see the job posting on Climbtoworthless anymore...

208FLYBOY1 03-26-2009 07:44 PM

I spoke with who was either the chief or the asst. cheif last week and he said that they are accepting resumes for those who are interested...

rogersmith 03-09-2013 07:39 AM

Does anyone have any current info on qol, schedule, interview, etc...? Anything would help. Thanks

Gjn290 03-09-2013 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by skatergeek (Post 581170)
I know somebody who used to work there. He really liked it until he tried to leave. They pulled some wierd stuff to get him to stay. They told him that he over flew a VOR check one time a while back and would report him to the FAA if he quit and stuff like that.

Couldn't he have just filed a NASA report? Seems hard to be able to control someone for over that.

beech1980 03-09-2013 01:11 PM

They will hire anyone with a commercial cert. pay is crappy 30k sic, 45k pic! You fly 20 days a month and there is no set schedule. You could be out for 5 days or 12 days at a time. Its a bottom feeder charter operation. I've known people that have worked there. When they tried to leave they do pull some shady stuff... They pull Hobbs meters just to get more flight time in between inspections. Just to name one major no no. But they will have a pile of low timers that don't give a s*]t about the bad stuff that goes on. They also sic type you at sim com! Which carries no weight if you plan on using that another company. Unless its from flight safety or simuflite. Most insurance companies won't accept it. Your life would be better not entering that mess.

gearcrankr 03-10-2013 08:45 AM

Skip RWAC. They travel you on your days off, have you sign a non prorated training contract and "base" you where ever/when ever it is convenient for them.
Upgrades are offered with another training contract.

rogersmith 03-10-2013 11:13 AM

Thanks for the info and the heads up

llindsay 03-21-2013 07:33 AM

Hello guys,

I'm a CA at RWAP. I have lots of information for anyone that wants it. I do not wish to publicly share my opinions on here as I fear big brother may be watching and I don't have the most anonymous username...

Feel free to PM me and I will share everything I have about this place...

PiperPower 03-21-2013 08:32 AM

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tlove482 03-21-2013 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by llindsay (Post 1376608)
Hello guys,

I'm a CA at RWAP. I have lots of information for anyone that wants it. I do not wish to publicly share my opinions on here as I fear big brother may be watching and I don't have the most anonymous username...

Feel free to PM me and I will share everything I have about this place...

Tried to PM but your box is full.

llindsay 03-21-2013 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by tlove482 (Post 1376756)
Tried to PM but your box is full.

Sorry Tlove... try again.

GFKFLYER 04-03-2013 12:49 PM

Any information on this company would be great. Thanks

undflyboy06 04-03-2013 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by GFKFLYER (Post 1384451)
Any information on this company would be great. Thanks

Read Beech1980 post about the company on page 1 of this thread.

GFKFLYER 04-04-2013 06:06 AM

Thanks UNDFLYBOY - wasn't sure if anyone had any additional information.

B727 right seat 05-31-2013 03:57 PM

Stay AWAY from Red Wing Aeroplane Company. Work you to death, poor pay, no consideration for days off, ie: a day off is the day you deadhead on a commercial flight at 6:00AM. They go through pilots like a hot knife through butter. Avoid at all costs!! Ever pilot there is looking elsewhere.

ultradriver 07-17-2013 12:03 PM

This place is the worst. The so called chief pilot is a unqualified kiss you know what who trashes the pilots every chance he gets. You get treated like a slave. One pilot there took a medical leave and they cancelled his health insurance like it was nothing. The will change the SOP and not tell you about it then yell at you for not following them. You WILL work 12 days in a row then get 1 day off. Then right back out. The pay is sub par. Tell your friends and even your enemies NOT TO GO THERE!!!! Every pilot who is there is looking to leave ASAP

Corbs 07-25-2013 06:59 PM

I can't believe RWAC actually made a national forum. How exciting !!
LLindsay - I tried PMing you for more details about my job, but your box is still full.

llindsay 08-01-2013 10:13 AM

give it another try there corbster

KNOT on CALL 08-01-2013 12:44 PM

This place is a totally different beast from any airline. I'm a furloughed Airline guy. We really have no work rules, at least anything similar to the airlines in regards to things like junior manning, call out procedures, etc.. We sit reserve 24/7 day and night with a 1:45 callout to WHEELS UP time (not show). We are all on reserve as there is no scheduled service to predict. The schedule is posted for each pilot on the 25th of the month prior and we have no control over it. We are scheduled to work between 17-20 days a month of what we pilots refer to as "hard days". They are usually broken into 2 or 3 reserve sequences from 6-10 days long each. Note, however, that the day before we start is called a "check-in day" and the day after a sequence is called a "travel day". We call those days "soft days". It is about a 50% chance that we will be used on at least one of those "soft days", either at the beginning or end of a sequence. or both. Depending on how your schedule is divided, you can have anywhere from 3-7 soft days in a month bringing your total obligation to the company (days which you cannot proactively pre-plan personal events) up to somewhere between about 23-28 days a month.

We often drive long distances (4-7 hrs) in cars to meet airplanes or come home from trips (i.e. Milwaukee, Chicago, Des Moines, or Omaha to name a few; to and from Red Wing) rather than airline. Other times we will airline in/out of MSP or sometimes we ferry the jets back to base or out of base. So you can start a trip by driving several hrs, driving to MSP for an airline, or departing with an empty jet out of RGK. And you will likely not do the same for your return home. Regardless of how you start or stop a trip, you are responsible, and required to show up at RGK before and after trips are finished. Transportation, or a vehicle is always provided to you when it's warrented, but you cannot simply drive yourself from your house to MSP to catch a flight. They require you to go to RGK first to "start your trip". But Per diem doesn't start until you're airline flight pushes from the gate at MSP.

Some months you will work a lot. other months you may hardly work at all. but you will always be "available" to the company for your full scheduled days (including all check in and travel days).

It can be a very difficult place to work sometimes, but if you are nearing or already passed 4,000 hrs TT and looking for TPIC, this may be your place.

The flying can actually be pretty fun sometimes, we fly empty a lot and fly to pretty cool places. We fly celebrities every once in a while and get $100 tips on occasion.

I will caution you though that several Pinna-Col-Ba pilots have come through here in the last few years trying to jump ship and absolutely hated it. It is very much a different type of job from airline flying. Most airline pilots have come because of a furlough or they themselves actively quit to seek a different life from the airlines, all have had problems adjusting. And all have quit or are gearing to quit.

Apod 04-28-2014 10:16 PM

Redwing has increased starting pay for FOs to 40K per year. Doesn't that sound nice? Don't worry though, they have reduced 2nd year CA pay to balance it out. It's a mere $500 less - but a little backwards considering they need captains just as bad. The increase you get each year is minimal until you've been there at least 4 years.

Also - they have increased the training contract to 18,000 over 12 months or 18 months depending on if you're already typed or not. One of the few companies I know that will take you to court if you don't pay. The training they give you is definitely not worth 18K.

Stby1 02-04-2015 01:40 PM

New info
 
Any new info for 2014-2015 on this company? I recently applied and was wondering. Any help would be great.

fr8Dg429 02-05-2015 01:06 PM

hey I also applied to this position and am also waiting to hear, have some general info but am looking more specifically into schedule....thx. if I hear anything ill be sure to post.

B727 right seat 02-06-2015 01:25 PM

Pilots....Stay away from Red Wing Aero. Terrible place to work. Horrible training contract. Work you to death. Fly many, many days, one day off, out again. Every pilot there is looking elsewhere. Save yourself the frustration. Don't go there!!

emersome 02-24-2015 08:45 AM

Red Wing
 
I worked there for a year as a Captain and have to say, although there are a few warts, the experience was not all that bad. Pay was 60k Capt.
30K F/o. I have heard the pay has gone up since then. The F/O experience level was pretty low and they do make you sign a training contract for 12 months. It is prorated. Maintenance on the aircraft is done in Redwing, WI by their local mechs. Sometimes left something to be desired. Every airplane is different config in the Cockpit. All 500 series Citations. Takes some time to get used to. They recently acquired their own simulator in Redwing and do their own training for the most part.

Apokleros 02-24-2015 10:17 AM

What are their hiring mins for FOs? Anyone know what the best way to apply is?

B727 right seat 07-10-2015 03:44 PM

Red Wing Aero
 
Ran into fellow who fly's for Red Wing Aeroplane, Bay City, WI. Said owner works pilots like a dog, no consideration for a job well done, deadheads pilots on commercial flights with no thought of airline connections. Just go with the cheapest flights. Always have classes scheduled because pilots are always leaving. Always keeps a stack of pilot resumes ready at hand to call the next poor fellow. This place won't add a nickel of value to your resume if you plan on going to any Part-121 carrier.

yz450f177 10-15-2015 08:03 PM

Any new info on them.
Heard they raised starting Captain pay.

badtransam97 10-30-2015 06:07 AM

Anything changed on this place? Heard things "may" have improved somewhat since this so called shortage has made them try a little harder to retain and recruit pilots..had a phone interview the other day, just wondering how things were currently.

B727 right seat 10-30-2015 11:18 AM

Red Wing Aero
 

Originally Posted by badtransam97 (Post 2002584)
Anything changed on this place? Heard things "may" have improved somewhat since this so called shortage has made them try a little harder to retain and recruit pilots..had a phone interview the other day, just wondering how things were currently.

Same owner, same CP, same terrible schedule, same lousy pay, same garbage. Everyone pilot there is trying to leave ASAP. This place adds zero value to your resume.

badtransam97 10-30-2015 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by B727 right seat (Post 2002749)
Same owner, same CP, same terrible schedule, same lousy pay, same garbage. Everyone pilot there is trying to leave ASAP. This place adds zero value to your resume.

Great...was hoping to hear differently.

Surge900 10-31-2015 01:46 PM

The owner doesn't respect his employees. The planes are old Net Jet Citations. Pay is well below NBAA average, its a revolving door of pilots. Only ones that stay cant go any where else. With the state of hiring why shoot for the bottom?

badtransam97 10-31-2015 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by Surge900 (Post 2003298)
The owner doesn't respect his employees. The planes are old Net Jet Citations. Pay is well below NBAA average, its a revolving door of pilots. Only ones that stay cant go any where else. With the state of hiring why shoot for the bottom?

I appreciate the info. Not necessarily shooting for the bottom, trying to swap over to a home base charter from the Helo world.
Not having much luck getting looked at with any of the others out there. Just exploring all options I've been offered.

DoYouEvenFlyBro 10-04-2016 03:29 PM

Any new info on these guys? Talked to an F/O that said it was a decent gig. Just changed to an 8/6 schedule. Home basing is a plus. Any insight on pay, QOL, etc?

B727 right seat 02-21-2017 10:24 AM

Orange site...Red Wing Aeroplane
 

Originally Posted by DoYouEvenFlyBro (Post 2216980)
Any new info on these guys? Talked to an F/O that said it was a decent gig. Just changed to an 8/6 schedule. Home basing is a plus. Any insight on pay, QOL, etc?

Stay away..bad pilot employer..everyone is trying to leave...old aircraft...low pay...other operators hiring...expensive training contract...

F224 02-21-2017 04:41 PM

New marketing guy, he's managed to raise pay, bring in some newer airframes, and improved pilot schedules/communications. The shortage has hit all of the jet card operators hard, they have no choice regarding pay/QOL.

Skipper13 05-27-2017 10:15 AM

red wing inside look.
 
stay as far away as you can its like some one said a sh*tshow. from day one its been one red flag after the other. Very cheap don't want to pay even for coffee . Hotels are peace junk in the middle of nowhere as cheap as it can get. training program is a joke they dot even provide books or posters to use. At company headquarters there not even a free cup of coffee or a drink of water for pilots.over nights are the worse. On the line there is almost no company support you are on your own. But all this doesn't matter you are treated like crap by management no respect for personal needs or rights they will find all ways to screw your paycheck always an issue with payroll all pilots are missing per diem and good luck getting paid for any out of pocket expenses. the only good thing that they are god at are lies and a good act to get your foot on the door, then you sign a contract for about 15k. for a citation 5/ultra type.I swear to GOD its a nightmare PLEASE do yourself a favor and stay away.


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