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Old 08-05-2021, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JayMahon View Post
8-12 hours of OT built in per week? Averaging a 50 hour work week at $15 an hour is $42,900. I understand there is some additional pay in per diem and for picking up shifts is that right?


As for "incredibly hard work" could you elaborate? I assume this is something more than just 50 hour work weeks. Does this involve loading/unloading cargo or passengers? Just curious as to what the opportunity looks like.

Its 4:45AM in the morning and your alarm is going off. Its -10F and snowing outside. You make yourself a coffee and get dressed, out the door by 5. The car is half frozen, need 15 min to warm it up... Get to the airport, your CE 402 or P212 are tucked inside a hangar that may or may not have internal heating. After a thorough preflight you grab the Kubota to tug it from the hangar to the terminal- a simple task but some struggle with towing somehow. The sun isn't up yet. You go inside the ops room to find youre booked full- 9 pax. You diligently plan your required fuel and how much TKS to bring. As the passengers begin to check-in, you realize you might be overweight and forced to either bump a bag or your FO, sometimes even a revenue passenger. Its 5:45, you have thirty minutes until departure. By some miracle you've found a way to make the weights work and you've completed the weight and balance, no time to relax though because there's some crap weather out there to worry about..


615am you pull away from the terminal with your full boat and you depart from your 4500 ft long runway climbing out at about 400 fpm and 120KIAS. Three minutes after takeoff you see ice accumulating on your flight surfaces.. You trust in your boots/TKS to keep you going. An hour and half later you pop out of the clouds and behold ORD in all its glory in front of you. ATC gave you some weird vectors to get onto final but hey you made it. After a good 15 minute taxi you arrive at the gate and have an hour to go grab some breakfast. 9AM, time to get back to weight and balance and looking at the weather. Not a full boat this time so that simplifies things a bit. By 9:30AM you're back on your way out of ORD headed to Manistee, MI or Quincy, IL. You'll do this process most likely again later in the afternoon. Some times the weather will improve, some times it will get worse. Some days your airplane will fly perfectly, other days you'll be writing up something silly and stuck somewhere that isn't where your bed is. SOC does their best to help, but they cant make airworthy planes appear out of nowhere.


It's 6 or 7PM, and you've completed the last leg of the day. Time to button up the plane and tow it back to the hangar. You probably didn't see the sun today, and likely dealt with more ice in one day than what most piston drivers fly through in a year. You get home at 7:30PM, whip yourself up something to eat and are in bed by whatever time you need to be to get enough sleep to repeat this entire process at 4:45AM again the next day.


Obviously this isn't how things work year round, but some might consider a day like this 'incredibly hard'.
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Old 08-05-2021, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by uofWaPilot View Post
Its 4:45AM in the morning and your alarm is going off. Its -10F and snowing outside. You make yourself a coffee and get dressed, out the door by 5. The car is half frozen, need 15 min to warm it up... Get to the airport, your CE 402 or P212 are tucked inside a hangar that may or may not have internal heating. After a thorough preflight you grab the Kubota to tug it from the hangar to the terminal- a simple task but some struggle with towing somehow. The sun isn't up yet. You go inside the ops room to find youre booked full- 9 pax. You diligently plan your required fuel and how much TKS to bring. As the passengers begin to check-in, you realize you might be overweight and forced to either bump a bag or your FO, sometimes even a revenue passenger. Its 5:45, you have thirty minutes until departure. By some miracle you've found a way to make the weights work and you've completed the weight and balance, no time to relax though because there's some crap weather out there to worry about..


615am you pull away from the terminal with your full boat and you depart from your 4500 ft long runway climbing out at about 400 fpm and 120KIAS. Three minutes after takeoff you see ice accumulating on your flight surfaces.. You trust in your boots/TKS to keep you going. An hour and half later you pop out of the clouds and behold ORD in all its glory in front of you. ATC gave you some weird vectors to get onto final but hey you made it. After a good 15 minute taxi you arrive at the gate and have an hour to go grab some breakfast. 9AM, time to get back to weight and balance and looking at the weather. Not a full boat this time so that simplifies things a bit. By 9:30AM you're back on your way out of ORD headed to Manistee, MI or Quincy, IL. You'll do this process most likely again later in the afternoon. Some times the weather will improve, some times it will get worse. Some days your airplane will fly perfectly, other days you'll be writing up something silly and stuck somewhere that isn't where your bed is. SOC does their best to help, but they cant make airworthy planes appear out of nowhere.


It's 6 or 7PM, and you've completed the last leg of the day. Time to button up the plane and tow it back to the hangar. You probably didn't see the sun today, and likely dealt with more ice in one day than what most piston drivers fly through in a year. You get home at 7:30PM, whip yourself up something to eat and are in bed by whatever time you need to be to get enough sleep to repeat this entire process at 4:45AM again the next day.


Obviously this isn't how things work year round, but some might consider a day like this 'incredibly hard'.

This^^^

I didn’t experience all of this but no matter how “hard” your work may be, this is still a much respected profession and should be treated as such.


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Old 08-05-2021, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by uofWaPilot View Post
Its 4:45AM in the morning and your alarm is going off. Its -10F and snowing outside. You make yourself a coffee and get dressed, out the door by 5. The car is half frozen, need 15 min to warm it up... Get to the airport, your CE 402 or P212 are tucked inside a hangar that may or may not have internal heating. After a thorough preflight you grab the Kubota to tug it from the hangar to the terminal- a simple task but some struggle with towing somehow. The sun isn't up yet. You go inside the ops room to find youre booked full- 9 pax. You diligently plan your required fuel and how much TKS to bring. As the passengers begin to check-in, you realize you might be overweight and forced to either bump a bag or your FO, sometimes even a revenue passenger. Its 5:45, you have thirty minutes until departure. By some miracle you've found a way to make the weights work and you've completed the weight and balance, no time to relax though because there's some crap weather out there to worry about..


615am you pull away from the terminal with your full boat and you depart from your 4500 ft long runway climbing out at about 400 fpm and 120KIAS. Three minutes after takeoff you see ice accumulating on your flight surfaces.. You trust in your boots/TKS to keep you going. An hour and half later you pop out of the clouds and behold ORD in all its glory in front of you. ATC gave you some weird vectors to get onto final but hey you made it. After a good 15 minute taxi you arrive at the gate and have an hour to go grab some breakfast. 9AM, time to get back to weight and balance and looking at the weather. Not a full boat this time so that simplifies things a bit. By 9:30AM you're back on your way out of ORD headed to Manistee, MI or Quincy, IL. You'll do this process most likely again later in the afternoon. Some times the weather will improve, some times it will get worse. Some days your airplane will fly perfectly, other days you'll be writing up something silly and stuck somewhere that isn't where your bed is. SOC does their best to help, but they cant make airworthy planes appear out of nowhere.


It's 6 or 7PM, and you've completed the last leg of the day. Time to button up the plane and tow it back to the hangar. You probably didn't see the sun today, and likely dealt with more ice in one day than what most piston drivers fly through in a year. You get home at 7:30PM, whip yourself up something to eat and are in bed by whatever time you need to be to get enough sleep to repeat this entire process at 4:45AM again the next day.


Obviously this isn't how things work year round, but some might consider a day like this 'incredibly hard'.
This is a great summary. Cape isn't for everyone but for some it can be a great place. The 4 days on and 4 days off schedule (in certain bases) does help to make days like this hurt a little less. Compared to some 91 gigs I'd take having a set schedule and union contract any day. Commuting here is basically impossible though so plan to move to base.
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Old 08-07-2021, 05:19 PM
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And if you stick around long enough you may get to fly this someday and impress the woke liberals on Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ain...commuter%3famp
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Old 08-09-2021, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
And if you stick around long enough you may get to fly this someday and impress the woke liberals on Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ain...commuter%3famp
But then again, maybe the so-called woke liberals as you so uneloquently put it, the Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket will be lucky if you don’t. Just saying is all.
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Old 08-11-2021, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns View Post
But then again, maybe the so-called woke liberals as you so uneloquently put it, the Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket will be lucky if you don’t. Just saying is all.
Ineloquently….
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Old 08-11-2021, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy View Post
Ineloquently….
Thank you……
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by uofWaPilot View Post
Its 4:45AM in the morning and your alarm is going off. Its -10F and snowing outside. You make yourself a coffee and get dressed, out the door by 5. The car is half frozen, need 15 min to warm it up... Get to the airport, your CE 402 or P212 are tucked inside a hangar that may or may not have internal heating. After a thorough preflight you grab the Kubota to tug it from the hangar to the terminal- a simple task but some struggle with towing somehow. The sun isn't up yet. You go inside the ops room to find youre booked full- 9 pax. You diligently plan your required fuel and how much TKS to bring. As the passengers begin to check-in, you realize you might be overweight and forced to either bump a bag or your FO, sometimes even a revenue passenger. Its 5:45, you have thirty minutes until departure. By some miracle you've found a way to make the weights work and you've completed the weight and balance, no time to relax though because there's some crap weather out there to worry about..


615am you pull away from the terminal with your full boat and you depart from your 4500 ft long runway climbing out at about 400 fpm and 120KIAS. Three minutes after takeoff you see ice accumulating on your flight surfaces.. You trust in your boots/TKS to keep you going. An hour and half later you pop out of the clouds and behold ORD in all its glory in front of you. ATC gave you some weird vectors to get onto final but hey you made it. After a good 15 minute taxi you arrive at the gate and have an hour to go grab some breakfast. 9AM, time to get back to weight and balance and looking at the weather. Not a full boat this time so that simplifies things a bit. By 9:30AM you're back on your way out of ORD headed to Manistee, MI or Quincy, IL. You'll do this process most likely again later in the afternoon. Some times the weather will improve, some times it will get worse. Some days your airplane will fly perfectly, other days you'll be writing up something silly and stuck somewhere that isn't where your bed is. SOC does their best to help, but they cant make airworthy planes appear out of nowhere.


It's 6 or 7PM, and you've completed the last leg of the day. Time to button up the plane and tow it back to the hangar. You probably didn't see the sun today, and likely dealt with more ice in one day than what most piston drivers fly through in a year. You get home at 7:30PM, whip yourself up something to eat and are in bed by whatever time you need to be to get enough sleep to repeat this entire process at 4:45AM again the next day.


Obviously this isn't how things work year round, but some might consider a day like this 'incredibly hard'.

Totally true and totally rewarding. But balanced out by days where you are VFR flying down the coast of Maine at 1000 feet with the blue sky and stunning views and wondering how you get paid to do it…

But yes those wintery IFR 13 hour duty days aren’t for the meek of spirit…


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Old 08-28-2021, 09:20 AM
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Can someone let me know what the most junior bases were on the most recent FO bid?
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Old 08-31-2021, 04:35 PM
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I just put in an app for their FO position (im around 450tt with all CFI ratings)
Currently working as a jump pilot till the end of the season which should be soon.
What do you think my chances are of hearing back? If anyone has advice to help my app stand out please let me know!
Thank you all!
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