Cape air studies replacement for 402's
05-01-2009, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop
The problem with Cessna building twins is the cost. A G1000 equipped Baron runs about 1.2 million new. How much would a new 402 run?
Now if Douglas (Boeing?) put the DC3 back in production, that would be something. There might even be a couple of PBA guys on property that remember how to fly it.
I miss the sound of radials flying around the Cape! The hell with the cost!
I miss the sound of radials flying around the Cape! The hell with the cost!
05-01-2009, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SVA402
Cape Air's 402 operation IS 135. Now, many will disagree with me but as a pilot i'd rather fly a 402 than a caravan any day(having flown both). Regardless of what anyone says about PT-6 reliability, there's still one engine there. If something goes wrong, you're probably dead. Honestly the best option I could think of is to talk to Cessna or Piper about building a new replacement aircraft, or maybe even new production 402s. An order for more than 50 should be enough for them to consider it at least. Of course, you might have trouble convincing Cessna to build new ones without fancy avionics and such...
05-01-2009, 12:31 PM
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Im affraid Cessna's piston twin days are over. Flight Safety had a Cessna ad where Jack Pelton said something about "Back in the piston twin days.....".
Understand now, I am a fan of Cessna twins, and the 310R will forever be one of my favorite airplanes.
Sorry F172, a new Baron goes for over a million, so a 400 series Cessna twin would have to go for signifigantly more.
Check out these examples from the mid 1980s 414s and 421.---they are over half a mil used. The newest 402s had no listed price, so I didn't put any here.
1985 CESSNA 414A RAM For Sale At Controller.com
1982 CESSNA 414A RAM For Sale At Controller.com
1984 CESSNA 421C RAM For Sale At Controller.com
Understand now, I am a fan of Cessna twins, and the 310R will forever be one of my favorite airplanes.
Originally Posted by F172Driver
The cost of a new airplane is gonna be expensive, im betting somewhere around the 1 million dollar mark. Im guessing by talking to the manufacturers that they are trying to get a new airplane. So if Cessna were to start reproducing the 402, maybe keep it right around a million, then I think Cape Air would bite..
Check out these examples from the mid 1980s 414s and 421.---they are over half a mil used. The newest 402s had no listed price, so I didn't put any here.
1985 CESSNA 414A RAM For Sale At Controller.com
1982 CESSNA 414A RAM For Sale At Controller.com
1984 CESSNA 421C RAM For Sale At Controller.com
05-01-2009, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HectorD
Good point but if Cape Air came up with a good price for a bulk order Cessna could just take the old plans and re construct the plane with the same materials and it does not have to contain G1000 avionics.
Originally Posted by HectorD
if cape air where to pay upfront I think Cessna could consider it.
Originally Posted by HectorD
After all, they wouldn't have to put anything into engineering since the plane is already engineered. Just take a few factory workers and put some together like the old days. At least that is how I see it.
Hector, Im not busting your chops, believe me. Im an ex C310/340/421 driver. I just think Cessna can't wait to get out from under the expense of supporting the piston twins that are already out there. They would be much more content for you to buy a new Mustang. Which, if they would have asked me, would have been called the 310Jet, 310 S, or Jet Eagle, (nod to 421 Golden Eagle).
05-01-2009, 01:55 PM
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I've heard the F406 rumor more than once (not that that holds any water!). The additional cost may be offset by the fact that it carries 13 passengers vs. 9, and the PT6s would probably cost less in maintenance than the TSIO-520s. Then again, as miller said, 180pph in cruise is tough to beat...
05-01-2009, 08:53 PM
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I was told that Cape Air wants to stay away from turbines. From what I understand, turbine engines are overhauled every so many cycles, as opposed to pistons which are overhauled every so many hours. The short flights would be a killer.
05-01-2009, 11:06 PM
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Go for the Beech 1900D reliable workhorse.
Cut your frequency in half.
Fire half the pilots.
Pay the remaining half 50% less.
Or,
buy one BAE 146 Jet.
fire all but 6 pilots.
tell your customers that you only fly once a day between Worchester, MA and Nantucket, and to "swim or rent a boat if you want to go to those other islands."
Cut your frequency in half.
Fire half the pilots.
Pay the remaining half 50% less.
Or,
buy one BAE 146 Jet.
fire all but 6 pilots.
tell your customers that you only fly once a day between Worchester, MA and Nantucket, and to "swim or rent a boat if you want to go to those other islands."
05-02-2009, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by INTERNET PILOT
What about a Twin Star?
Go for the Beech 1900D reliable workhorse.
Cut your frequency in half.
Fire half the pilots.
Pay the remaining half 50% less.
Or,
buy one BAE 146 Jet.
fire all but 6 pilots.
tell your customers that you only fly once a day between Worchester, MA and Nantucket, and to "swim or rent a boat if you want to go to those other islands."
Cut your frequency in half.
Fire half the pilots.
Pay the remaining half 50% less.
Or,
buy one BAE 146 Jet.
fire all but 6 pilots.
tell your customers that you only fly once a day between Worchester, MA and Nantucket, and to "swim or rent a boat if you want to go to those other islands."
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