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05-12-2009, 10:41 AM

#11

plastic gerbil

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How can this be considered democratic

based on election results
CAPA 51 votes
IBT 40 votes
NO UNION 46 votes

We have a union (CAPA) representing us with 2/3 of pilots not wanting them. How is this a democratic process?? 2/3 of pilots voted against CAPA and now I am going to be forced to pay dues after voting no.

05-12-2009, 12:14 PM

#12

FlyingChipmunk

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Originally Posted by plastic gerbil

At least you got to vote. I don't think that the first officers or mail pilots ever got that squared away. I don't know if it would have changed the outcome but to be fair they should have had a vote.

05-12-2009, 02:55 PM

#13

3fityseven

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I never got a ballot or PIN in the mail. I would have voted if I could have! I may not be eligible because I am out on medical.

05-12-2009, 03:02 PM

#14

FlyingChipmunk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 3fityseven

I never got a ballot or PIN in the mail. I would have voted if I could have! I may not be eligible because I am out on medical.

I don't know who was allowed to vote as far as Medicals, LOA's and Part Time guys.

05-12-2009, 03:25 PM

#15

3fityseven

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I can't tell from the seniority list who was allowed to vote. I tried subtracting the PT guys and medicals. I never could get the 139 though.

05-12-2009, 07:27 PM

#16

BelowMins

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk

I agree. Regardless of the outcome. Are they pilots for 9K or not? That made no sense whatsoever and was a slap in the face to all FO's and mail pilots. They have no say in their representation but have to take what is voted in whether they like it or not. Will there be FO's on the negotiating board or are they not eligible for that either?

-WTHO

05-13-2009, 07:16 AM

#17

NightIP

Tuk er jerbs!

Joined APC: Mar 2007

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Posts: 1,342

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingChipmunk

Wow, that's bullsh*t if the FOs or mail PICs didn't get to vote. That's something the company needs to fix: it seems to me that the FOs are treated that unless you're a CA, you're not required, and you don't matter. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Whenever I fly with an FO I always make sure to treat them as a valuable asset in the cockpit, but I've gotten comments from some along the lines of "It's nice to be needed for once." I'm not sure where that passive and defeated attitude comes from (and of course they're not all like that!), but not allowing them to vote is just another slap in the face that could further CRM problems in the cockpit.