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schone 07-17-2006 04:49 PM

Steer me in the right direction please
 
Hi,

I'm a traffic watch pilot, possesing close to a 1000 TT, 175 ME time (unfortunately only about 4ME in the past 6 months , sic time pt. 91)

Was wondering if anyone knows of an outlet looking for first officers on any **JET** (i.e turbofan/turbojet not including t-props) , pay makes no diff as long as it's decent and not slavery (am aware of how much to expect, not looking for anything extravaganzic) and location makes no diff, am single and willing to relocate?

Any help is appreciated!

-Schone

Slice 07-17-2006 04:52 PM

Is flying a turboprop beneath you? :confused:

KiloAlpha 07-17-2006 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Slice
Is flying a turboprop beneath you? :confused:

Of course it is... he has 175 ME... it's jet time baby! :rolleyes:

schone 07-17-2006 06:22 PM

Nothing beneath me and am not claiming to be better than anyone else communicating on this forum, just am focused on what i'm looking for. I'm sure everybody's been through a point in life where they've been looking for someone to throw them a bone while having their goals set before them.

KiloAlpha: With obviously too much time in your hands, flying your turboprop, no wonder the posts we're seeing from you are of mockery towards other pilots on various threads. Maybe getting a jet job for myself, will make me a little bit busier than you are so I don't find myself doing the same thing you're doing to people who are marely asking questions.

Calling meaningful, serious replies please.

STILL GROUNDED 07-17-2006 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by schone
Nothing beneath me and am not claiming to be better than anyone else communicating on this forum, just am focused on what i'm looking for. I'm sure everybody's been through a point in life where they've been looking for someone to throw them a bone while having their goals set before them.

KiloAlpha: With obviously too much time in your hands, flying your turboprop, no wonder the posts we're seeing from you are of mockery towards other pilots on various threads. Maybe getting a jet job for myself, will make me a little bit busier than you are so I don't find myself doing the same thing you're doing to people who are marely asking questions.

Calling meaningful, serious replies please.

Please don't take offense when you insult someone elses equipment by being specific about not wanting in it.

I think the problem here is the question you had asked. With your 4 hrs of ME in the last 6 months you should have maybe asked for any job other than flying a 152 for traffic watch that has two engines and burns jet fuel. Obviously there seems to be some shiny jet syndrome here but we all go through it. Then we realize that the turboprop gets you turbine PIC long before the jet will, hence you can move on to a job flying BIGGER shiny jets with BIGGER engines and BIGGER paychecks quicker.

Hope that was meaningful and maybe even helpful.

Ziggy 07-18-2006 01:33 PM

Well, here's my two cents. I got my first jet job by handing out resume's to local FBO's that handled alot of locally based jets. I got VERY lucky in that someone was looking for a warm body to fill the right seat. That gig was good for 1.5 yrs until the jet sold. Great job, great jet, low pay, very low pay. But that's what I got because I was way below industry standards on qualifications. Also the owner suffered in lost revenue due to me not meeting ARGUS standards.
STILL GROUNDED is right, eventually you'll have to start somewhere on building that coveted TURBINE PIC. You can try the regionals, because you do meet most of their minimums. However, if you decide that multi-pic and eventually turbine-pic is what you want then try the cargo route. I know the planes aren't pretty with glass cockpits, but it will be the type of flying to help hone your piloting skills.

iflyjets4food 07-18-2006 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by schone
Hi,

I'm a traffic watch pilot, possesing close to a 1000 TT, 175 ME time (unfortunately only about 4ME in the past 6 months , sic time pt. 91)

Was wondering if anyone knows of an outlet looking for first officers on any **JET** (i.e turbofan/turbojet not including t-props) , pay makes no diff as long as it's decent and not slavery (am aware of how much to expect, not looking for anything extravaganzic) and location makes no diff, am single and willing to relocate?

Any help is appreciated!

-Schone

This is mildly depressing. I'll give you some advice. Take the first job you get offered flying a twin, piston or otherwise. With 4 hrs of recent multi time, you can't afford to be picky. Besides, it is an insult to those of us who actually enjoy flying turboprops when someone with low time refuses to fly them.

PDXflyer 07-18-2006 08:35 PM

yeah I agree. I think someone needs a reality check. not even enough time to fly 135 and a jet job, off course.

HeavyDriver 07-18-2006 10:23 PM

Most Turboprops are more complex and demanding to fly then Straight jets of similar size...How they get certified single pilot I'll never know...

FlyerJosh 07-19-2006 04:47 AM

Try Mesa or GoJets. They seem to hire lots of folks with "I have my 1000 hrs- gimme gimme gimme" attitudes.

But whatever you do ditch the "I'm above flying that" attitude. I'd rather fly a smaller less complex plane (like a Caravan or a Citation) for good pay and a better quality of life than you could ever get flying a bigger aircraft (such as a regional jet, airliner, or Gulfstream.)

GauleyPilot 07-19-2006 08:46 AM

I was proud to be flying pax under 135 in my Cessna 310 when I had similar time. It is ok to be focused on your goal, but you will learn a tremendous amount flying Barons, 310s, etc. You can also build time. If you are offered one of these positions (flying good equipment for a good operator) I would take it. Right seat in a turboprop is a good way to get a foot in the door also.

Sincerely,

Gauley Pilot
Not ashamed of my Beechcraft Super King Air B200 turboPROp!!!!!!!

schone 07-19-2006 04:42 PM

Thank you all for the replies.

While being picky and admitting to the 'shiney jet syndrome' I have been infected with, I would have never imagine that in an industry that requires such seriousness and professionalism, I'd find so many people who'd get insulted by somebody asking a question and asking for a little bit of help, nor would I have thought somebody will take my question personally.

If you look up my original posting, you might realize that I have displayed no attitude what so ever and am not now. I am happy for the better quality of life you guys are getting flying t-props, pistons or any kind of jet doing the 135 life vs. the airline life. I really am not critisizing anybody for the type of job they have chosen, or the type of airplane they fly for that matter, since we all seem to come to our decisions based on different points of view and takes and what we deem important in various stages in life. Some might opt for QOL, some for $$ and some for the type of airplane regardless of what ****ty QOL/monetary compensation they get. Why is it so difficult to understand that?

Tail winds to all, no matter what you fly!

-schone

GauleyPilot 07-19-2006 07:23 PM

Direction has been here
 

Originally Posted by schone
Thank you all for the replies.

While being picky and admitting to the 'shiney jet syndrome' I have been infected with, I would have never imagine that in an industry that requires such seriousness and professionalism, I'd find so many people who'd get insulted by somebody asking a question and asking for a little bit of help, nor would I have thought somebody will take my question personally.

If you look up my original posting, you might realize that I have displayed no attitude what so ever and am not now. I am happy for the better quality of life you guys are getting flying t-props, pistons or any kind of jet doing the 135 life vs. the airline life. I really am not critisizing anybody for the type of job they have chosen, or the type of airplane they fly for that matter, since we all seem to come to our decisions based on different points of view and takes and what we deem important in various stages in life. Some might opt for QOL, some for $$ and some for the type of airplane regardless of what ****ty QOL/monetary compensation they get. Why is it so difficult to understand that?

Tail winds to all, no matter what you fly!

-schone


You asked for some help in obtaining a jet job with your qualifications. The reason people were offended is they sensed you were a little to eager to the point of being condisending. It would be rather rare for someone with your qualifications to get a jet job. The people who replied to you were thinking "dude, ah like everyone in your position wanted that". But like Ringo Starr's song says--GOT TO PAY YOUR DUES......YOU KNOW IT DON'T COME EASY.

You came across that way because of your**JET** sans turboprop statement. You may not have intended attitude, but it did not appear that way. Imagine if I went to an ALPA meeting and asked for help in starting as a **Captian** not a first officer or second officer. Imagine if I went to the Steelers training camp and asked to be a **starter** not a backup. (I have never played team football.)

People are recommending you to get some multi PIC time in a piston twin and or a turbo-prop--THEN LOOK FOR A JET JOB.

In your way of thinking, you may luck into something, and if you do, then good for you.

Good luck.

Yours Truly
Gauley Pilot

The Citation FO in upgrade training that still is proud to call himself a turboPROp pilot/Twin Cessna veteran.

Conair 07-24-2006 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by schone
Hi,

I'm a traffic watch pilot, possesing close to a 1000 TT, 175 ME time (unfortunately only about 4ME in the past 6 months , sic time pt. 91)

Was wondering if anyone knows of an outlet looking for first officers on any **JET** (i.e turbofan/turbojet not including t-props) , pay makes no diff as long as it's decent and not slavery (am aware of how much to expect, not looking for anything extravaganzic) and location makes no diff, am single and willing to relocate?

Any help is appreciated!

-Schone

Schone, I think you are the one taking it the wrong way. Every post that you think is so negative is just REALITY. I think the majority of everyone that wants to fly for a living aspires to fly shiney new jets. The reality is you only have 1000 TT and 175 ME. Insurance is what really runs this industry and with that time you might find a right seat position, MAYBE, outside the regionals. The other problem is the pay when you say "pay makes no diff as long as it's decent and not slavery. If you can find a right seat jet job anywhere, Regionals or elsewhere, the pay will be very low. The quickest way in my opinion to get into the shiney new jets is to take a turbo prop job because you will be able to move to the left seat faster gaining turbine PIC experience. For jet jobs they are looking at several things but one important one is turbine PIC.


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