FL450

I'm late to the party and wasn't going to comment but there seem to be some confusing statments. I agree the only way to log SIC time in a king air is with a 135 operator carrying passengers the regulations don't specify scheduled or unscheduled though. The regulations specify by the use of the Exemption for autopilot in Lieu of an SIC. If the 135 operator does not have this exemption (which there are a few that I can think of off the top of my head) then Legally a SIC is REQUIRED for the 135 legs thus an SIC can log SIC time!

THis goes for Single engine turbines as well operated under 135. See excerpt below:

Sec. 135.101

Sec. 135.101

Subpart B--Flight Operations

Sec. 135.101

Second in command required under IFR.

Except as provided in Sec. 135.105, no person may operate an aircraft carrying passengers under IFR unless there is a second in command in the aircraft.

unless you have 135.105

Sec. 135.105

Exception to second in command requirement: Approval for use of autopilot system.

(a) Except as provided in Secs. 135.99 and 135.111, unless two pilots are required by this chapter for operations under VFR, a person may operate an aircraft without a second in command, if it is equipped with an operative approved autopilot system and the use of that system is authorized by appropriate operations specifications. No certificate holder may use any person, nor may any person serve, as a pilot in command under this section of an aircraft operated in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter unless that person has at least 100 hours pilot in command flight time in the make and model of aircraft to be flown and has met all other applicable requirements of this part.
(b) The certificate holder may apply for an amendment of its operations specifications to authorize the use of an autopilot system in place of a second in command.
(c) The Administrator issues an amendment to the operations specifications authorizing the use of an autopilot system, in place of a second in command, if--
(1) The autopilot is capable of operating the aircraft controls to maintain flight and maneuver it about the three axes; and
(2) The certificate holder shows, to the satisfaction of the Administrator, that operations using the autopilot system can be conducted safely and in compliance with this part.
The amendment contains any conditions or limitations on the use of the autopilot system that the Administrator determines are needed in the interest of safety.

ANy further questions consult the regs... knowledge is power

flyheavys85

Hey Quinny,

Not sure if you've tried this or not but... try heading down to your local fbo's in and around your area to contact all your local 135 operators to see if they would be willing to hire you on either VFR or have you on an emergency contact list to sit right seat on two person 135 ops (PIC 91, or SIC 135) when they need someone in a pinch, otherwise network, network, network... or be willing to relocate.

Good luck!

hanknix

I fly right seat in the King Air C90 and B200 for a part 135 op. I log PIC on the part 91 legs and SIC on the part 135 legs. I had to have an SIC checkride to be able to log SIC. High Performance and High Altitude endorsements for PIC.

minitour

[technical hat]Actually, you didn't "need" those to log the PIC time. Only to act as PIC on those flights. But as sole manipulator of the flight controls in an aircraft for which you are rated (or have privileges), you can log that time as PIC without those endorsements. Actually, if you are the one doing the flying on the 135 legs, you log that as PIC, too.[/technical hat]

[practical hat]...but a good idea to knock them out.[/practical hat]

-mini

JJOSH122

Don't let ANYONE tell you what you can't do. I was flying a King Air single-pilot before I had 1000 hours. I had plenty of detractors too, but I am an ambitious guy and enjoy proving people wrong. Set your sites high and work your butt off to get there. I think most people on here are jaded due to there bad luck/choices. Keep looking... there are King Air guys that will help you get some King Air time with your experience. I do it to for guys every chance I get.

minimwage4

Why would anyone allow a less than 1000 hour pilot to fly their King Air? What was your circumstance?

Cruz5350

If all goes as planned I'm going to be flying a 441 with way less than a 1000 hours. Granted I'm not going to be single pilot, but I will still be flying regardless.

USMCFLYR

That is a great deal too! What are your circumstances that allow such a rare opportunity?

I'm thinking that minimumwage4 might be considering the insurance requirements when he asks who in their right mind who allow a fairly inexperienced pilot to fly a King Air - SINGLE PILOT!

You mention that you won't be flying the 441 single pilot, and maybe you don't have much experience at this time in that regime, but I'm pretty sure that you will see a BIG difference once you do delve into the complex aircraft, single pilot world.

Good luck Cruz and enjoy the experience!

USMCFLYR

Cruz5350

My circumstance is one of luck. I have less than 500TT, but my instructor was asked to do contract flying for an older gentleman who doesn't feel comfortable flying the plane by himself. (He is 80) The flights are all operated under PT.91 and we will share the workload with the other pilot. After spending 10 years at the regionals I'm hoping my instructor can run it like we are a crew and help teach me CRM in a much more complex aircraft. Should be fun and I'm not expecting much pay maybe at best 50 bucks a day, but it is something and if not its free multi hours in a nice airplane.

JJOSH122

no one "allowed" me to. I allowed them the use of my highly-skilled services... for a small fortune of course =)