TMC- Travel Management Company
07-21-2015, 08:04 AM
#341
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Posts: 203
Well, while a few of those things mentioned were true at one point, I think mgmt now has a slightly different attitude. We are starting to see some changes for the better. While the recent raise was a joke, they do seem to be willing to take better care of crews QOL on the road at least.
07-21-2015, 01:28 PM
#343
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Standing in front of the tank with a shopping bag
Posts: 918
Not Really...
Originally Posted by thurberm
Hmmm... Sounds like Avantair before the fall...
Aside from Scumbag management, I don't get how you can say that about VNR
... Even up to the end, VNR and TMC had little in common...:1) VNR Pilots HAD Vacation.
2) VNR Pilots called in sick all the time with no retribution, unless repetitive sick calls or unusual..
3) VNR Pilots trained on their work week, usually, sometimes pushing into the off week. But at least you would be given time at home if you asked for it. Minimum 3 days, I think.
4) No rolling rest.
5) Pay and Per Diem were better than some other fractionals have now, even in the end.
6) Insurance wasn't bad for family, either.
7) VNR HAD a bereavement policy and several crewmembers I knew, used it, unfortunately. Also, when one of the pilots was very sick, the Company flew his Spouse to be by his bedside.
8) VNR Pilots had an incredible Chief Pilot that most felt, had their backs as much as possible. Most of the ACP's and even a DO or two were decent, non-135 scumbag types.
9) VNR had an incredible pilot group, and an amazingly tight one, considering how rarely they saw each other on opposite weeks.
I am not trying to be confrontational, but VNR pilots had better pay, QOL, and benefits at the end, than many fractionals do today. TMC, EAS, JetSuite, Flight Options, etc. pilots would love to have some or all of the QOL, Pay, and Benefits VNR pilots enjoyed. Until recently, even Wheels Up pilots looked back fondly to their schedule and pay at VNR. And even Flex guys looked favorably on VNR's schedule and written furlough policy (versus Flex and EXO's terminations).
VNR was brought down by scumbag management siphoning funds and resources, but it wasn't a bad place to be and deserves a place of reverence. I'm not saying that bad things never happened there and that they didn't fire some good pilots, but overall, considering the competition, it wasn't a bad place to sit out the Great Recession.
Take care and stay safe out there...
07-21-2015, 06:32 PM
#344
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 17
Originally Posted by ThomasMagnum
Well, while a few of those things mentioned were true at one point, I think mgmt now has a slightly different attitude. We are starting to see some changes for the better. While the recent raise was a joke, they do seem to be willing to take better care of crews QOL on the road at least.
TMC=Too Much Cr@p.
QOL=Quit Or Leave.
Good Luck.
07-21-2015, 07:51 PM
#345
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 264
Originally Posted by B727DRVR
Thurber,
Aside from Scumbag management, I don't get how you can say that about VNR... Even up to the end, VNR and TMC had little in common...:
1) VNR Pilots HAD Vacation.
2) VNR Pilots called in sick all the time with no retribution, unless repetitive sick calls or unusual..
3) VNR Pilots trained on their work week, usually, sometimes pushing into the off week. But at least you would be given time at home if you asked for it. Minimum 3 days, I think.
4) No rolling rest.
5) Pay and Per Diem were better than some other fractionals have now, even in the end.
6) Insurance wasn't bad for family, either.
7) VNR HAD a bereavement policy and several crewmembers I knew, used it, unfortunately. Also, when one of the pilots was very sick, the Company flew his Spouse to be by his bedside.
8) VNR Pilots had an incredible Chief Pilot that most felt, had their backs as much as possible. Most of the ACP's and even a DO or two were decent, non-135 scumbag types.
9) VNR had an incredible pilot group, and an amazingly tight one, considering how rarely they saw each other on opposite weeks.
I am not trying to be confrontational, but VNR pilots had better pay, QOL, and benefits at the end, than many fractionals do today. TMC, EAS, JetSuite, Flight Options, etc. pilots would love to have some or all of the QOL, Pay, and Benefits VNR pilots enjoyed. Until recently, even Wheels Up pilots looked back fondly to their schedule and pay at VNR. And even Flex guys looked favorably on VNR's schedule and written furlough policy (versus Flex and EXO's terminations).
VNR was brought down by scumbag management siphoning funds and resources, but it wasn't a bad place to be and deserves a place of reverence. I'm not saying that bad things never happened there and that they didn't fire some good pilots, but overall, considering the competition, it wasn't a bad place to sit out the Great Recession.
Take care and stay safe out there...
Aside from Scumbag management, I don't get how you can say that about VNR
... Even up to the end, VNR and TMC had little in common...:1) VNR Pilots HAD Vacation.
2) VNR Pilots called in sick all the time with no retribution, unless repetitive sick calls or unusual..
3) VNR Pilots trained on their work week, usually, sometimes pushing into the off week. But at least you would be given time at home if you asked for it. Minimum 3 days, I think.
4) No rolling rest.
5) Pay and Per Diem were better than some other fractionals have now, even in the end.
6) Insurance wasn't bad for family, either.
7) VNR HAD a bereavement policy and several crewmembers I knew, used it, unfortunately. Also, when one of the pilots was very sick, the Company flew his Spouse to be by his bedside.
8) VNR Pilots had an incredible Chief Pilot that most felt, had their backs as much as possible. Most of the ACP's and even a DO or two were decent, non-135 scumbag types.
9) VNR had an incredible pilot group, and an amazingly tight one, considering how rarely they saw each other on opposite weeks.
I am not trying to be confrontational, but VNR pilots had better pay, QOL, and benefits at the end, than many fractionals do today. TMC, EAS, JetSuite, Flight Options, etc. pilots would love to have some or all of the QOL, Pay, and Benefits VNR pilots enjoyed. Until recently, even Wheels Up pilots looked back fondly to their schedule and pay at VNR. And even Flex guys looked favorably on VNR's schedule and written furlough policy (versus Flex and EXO's terminations).
VNR was brought down by scumbag management siphoning funds and resources, but it wasn't a bad place to be and deserves a place of reverence. I'm not saying that bad things never happened there and that they didn't fire some good pilots, but overall, considering the competition, it wasn't a bad place to sit out the Great Recession.
Take care and stay safe out there...
VNR was a good gig while I was there. Its a shame the way it ended.
07-31-2015, 02:33 AM
#350
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: CE680
Posts: 53
Originally Posted by B727DRVR
Thurber,
Aside from Scumbag management, I don't get how you can say that about VNR... Even up to the end, VNR and TMC had little in common...:
1) VNR Pilots HAD Vacation.
2) VNR Pilots called in sick all the time with no retribution, unless repetitive sick calls or unusual..
3) VNR Pilots trained on their work week, usually, sometimes pushing into the off week. But at least you would be given time at home if you asked for it. Minimum 3 days, I think.
4) No rolling rest.
5) Pay and Per Diem were better than some other fractionals have now, even in the end.
6) Insurance wasn't bad for family, either.
7) VNR HAD a bereavement policy and several crewmembers I knew, used it, unfortunately. Also, when one of the pilots was very sick, the Company flew his Spouse to be by his bedside.
8) VNR Pilots had an incredible Chief Pilot that most felt, had their backs as much as possible. Most of the ACP's and even a DO or two were decent, non-135 scumbag types.
9) VNR had an incredible pilot group, and an amazingly tight one, considering how rarely they saw each other on opposite weeks.
I am not trying to be confrontational, but VNR pilots had better pay, QOL, and benefits at the end, than many fractionals do today. TMC, EAS, JetSuite, Flight Options, etc. pilots would love to have some or all of the QOL, Pay, and Benefits VNR pilots enjoyed. Until recently, even Wheels Up pilots looked back fondly to their schedule and pay at VNR. And even Flex guys looked favorably on VNR's schedule and written furlough policy (versus Flex and EXO's terminations).
VNR was brought down by scumbag management siphoning funds and resources, but it wasn't a bad place to be and deserves a place of reverence. I'm not saying that bad things never happened there and that they didn't fire some good pilots, but overall, considering the competition, it wasn't a bad place to sit out the Great Recession.
Take care and stay safe out there...
Aside from Scumbag management, I don't get how you can say that about VNR
... Even up to the end, VNR and TMC had little in common...:1) VNR Pilots HAD Vacation.
2) VNR Pilots called in sick all the time with no retribution, unless repetitive sick calls or unusual..
3) VNR Pilots trained on their work week, usually, sometimes pushing into the off week. But at least you would be given time at home if you asked for it. Minimum 3 days, I think.
4) No rolling rest.
5) Pay and Per Diem were better than some other fractionals have now, even in the end.
6) Insurance wasn't bad for family, either.
7) VNR HAD a bereavement policy and several crewmembers I knew, used it, unfortunately. Also, when one of the pilots was very sick, the Company flew his Spouse to be by his bedside.
8) VNR Pilots had an incredible Chief Pilot that most felt, had their backs as much as possible. Most of the ACP's and even a DO or two were decent, non-135 scumbag types.
9) VNR had an incredible pilot group, and an amazingly tight one, considering how rarely they saw each other on opposite weeks.
I am not trying to be confrontational, but VNR pilots had better pay, QOL, and benefits at the end, than many fractionals do today. TMC, EAS, JetSuite, Flight Options, etc. pilots would love to have some or all of the QOL, Pay, and Benefits VNR pilots enjoyed. Until recently, even Wheels Up pilots looked back fondly to their schedule and pay at VNR. And even Flex guys looked favorably on VNR's schedule and written furlough policy (versus Flex and EXO's terminations).
VNR was brought down by scumbag management siphoning funds and resources, but it wasn't a bad place to be and deserves a place of reverence. I'm not saying that bad things never happened there and that they didn't fire some good pilots, but overall, considering the competition, it wasn't a bad place to sit out the Great Recession.
Take care and stay safe out there...
No comparison.
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