TMC- Travel Management Company
10-19-2015, 03:49 AM
#491
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Agreed. But if it's not in the regs in black and white than a lot of these operators aren't going to do it. I don't see a requirement for "in writing".
Where I work, I don't get the notification in writing. Strictly verbal over the phone. Haven't had any big issues with it.
Where I work, I don't get the notification in writing. Strictly verbal over the phone. Haven't had any big issues with it.
10-19-2015, 08:31 AM
#492
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Originally Posted by fordprefect
If it’s not in writing it is your word against theirs. If it is not required, that is how Travel Management is pulling the wool over the Feds eyes.
10-19-2015, 11:11 AM
#493
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 184
See, this confuses me as well. I haul freight and not people but same difference. My captain who I fly with told me that our duty day doesn't start until we get the first call for that day. Example, we sat at an airport after we exited the hotel the other day until 5pm. We then get a call. So he said we were good to fly until 7am. I don't understand that. IMO, when you leave the hotel AFTER your rest and show up at the airport the clock should start. Apparently he disagrees. He said even though we are at the airport we aren't "on duty".
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
10-19-2015, 11:16 AM
#494
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,919
Originally Posted by Av8er1550
See, this confuses me as well. I haul freight and not people but same difference. My captain who I fly with told me that our duty day doesn't start until we get the first call for that day. Example, we sat at an airport after we exited the hotel the other day until 5pm. We then get a call. So he said we were good to fly until 7am. I don't understand that. IMO, when you leave the hotel AFTER your rest and show up at the airport the clock should start. Apparently he disagrees. He said even though we are at the airport we aren't "on duty".
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
10-19-2015, 04:36 PM
#496
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Originally Posted by Av8er1550
See, this confuses me as well. I haul freight and not people but same difference. My captain who I fly with told me that our duty day doesn't start until we get the first call for that day. Example, we sat at an airport after we exited the hotel the other day until 5pm. We then get a call. So he said we were good to fly until 7am. I don't understand that. IMO, when you leave the hotel AFTER your rest and show up at the airport the clock should start. Apparently he disagrees. He said even though we are at the airport we aren't "on duty".
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
Btw, we are a 24/7 on-call operation. We never get anything written to us by dispatch. It's all done by a phone call. So, I guess we are up for phone call's after rest but we aren't "on-duty" until we have our first flight. (shrugs)...
I get a phone call notifying us of our off and on times in advance. It might be 30 seconds in advance - but it's in advance. That usually comes with a rundown of the next day with departure times. I'd rather get an email with the times - but I don't see anything that has to be in writing.
10-20-2015, 11:18 AM
#497
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: BE400 PIC
Posts: 18
Duty starts when the pre assigned rest period ends. (Travel local in character is not a part of duty).
You are not on rest if you are required to answer phones, respond to emails etc. Read the interpretation letters.
Then check your GOMs to see if they match.
If not, you could be held responsible if, god forbid, anything happens.
You are not on rest if you are required to answer phones, respond to emails etc. Read the interpretation letters.
Then check your GOMs to see if they match.
If not, you could be held responsible if, god forbid, anything happens.
10-20-2015, 11:34 AM
#498
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 153
Pt 91 "duty"
Previous posts have mentioned "pt 91" reposition flights. How does TMC treat these? It has always seemed to me that if you are in a company airplane flying at the companies request it should count as duty and flight time against the daily maximums. It never happens in my current situation, but I know of other companies that do it. I just don't understand how it could be legal.
And what does the new union have to say about all this? I understand the union is new, but I would think that one voice from the union should be able to resolve this issue.
And what does the new union have to say about all this? I understand the union is new, but I would think that one voice from the union should be able to resolve this issue.
10-20-2015, 12:23 PM
#499
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Posts: 153
Originally Posted by Intel33
And what does the new union have to say about all this? I understand the union is new, but I would think that one voice from the union should be able to resolve this issue.
10-21-2015, 05:44 AM
#500
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: BE400 PIC
Posts: 18
Originally Posted by Starbucks
"in writing"? I don't think it has to be. I may be overlooking it, but I don't see that written anywhere.
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