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Old 05-15-2014, 07:24 PM   #1  
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Default Hawker 800xp checkride Wilmington FSI

I'm doing my first initial at Flight Safety. I know they are supposed to prepare you pretty well but I'd appreciate any other tips, tricks, or gouges. I'm nervous as heck!
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It's not like an airline. You are the customer and Flight Safety knows that. Let your instructor be as hard on you as he needs to be. There will be no surprises come checkride day. Your examiner could very well be someone who instructed you. They are not there in search of someone to bust.

Your oral exam will be strictly systems, limitations and memory items., not FAR's. Know them and he won't dig deeper. It will be very casual and relaxed.

Don't let their time constraints push you in the sim. Take your time. Getting the checkride done in their allotted time is their problem, not yours. Do a steep turn correctly, and you're likely to only go 180 degrees. Do clean stall properly and you probably won't do a whole series. Always be prepared for a reject or V1 cut, expect to go missed every approach. Lean on your PNF.

You'll be fully briefed prior to the checkride. There will be no surprises. Think about the way the checkride will flow. Standard low vis takeoff up for airwork. Expect a malfunction in the climb. After the airwork, maybe a TCAS/GPWS event or an emergency descent to a non-precision circling approach to a balked/missed and maybe lose an engine there. Maybe a failed attempted relight, then a hand flown single engine ILS. Maybe full stop, then V1 cut (take your time, don't rip it off the ground)to a single engine non-precision approach to full stop. Next might be a normal takeoff with a flaps fail visual approach. On landing, maybe expect an emergency that requires a passenger evacuation. Maybe checkride over?

This isn't necessarily your checkride, but I'd be willing to bet it's going to be somewhat close. Just relax. He'll tell you exactly what's going to happen in the brief.

Remember to ask for things that you would normally ask for when flying. Why fly a published missed unless they make you? Ask for runway heading. If you lose the autopilot, ask the PNF for the yaw damper. Don't fight the rudder bias and let the airplane trim before engaging the autopilot.

Most importantly, relax and don't be afraid to go missed if it doesn't look or feel right. The Hawker is easy to fly and very forgiving. You'll be fine.
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I've got my initial type checkride on the 800 next week at CAE in Morristown. They've already briefed us on what to expect.
Rejected takeoff, normal takeoff, steep turns, stalls, GPS approach, missed to a hold, engine failure, restart, normal ILS, missed approach, VOR approach circle to land, V1 cut, single engine ILS, takeoff again, no-flap visual approach, emergency evac.

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Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

One other thing I just found about today is a written test that we have to take after we finish the ground school requirement. On the first day it was briefly mentioned that we will have a written test but "not to worry" as it would be corrected to 100% in class and you needed a 70. At the end of the day today our instructor said (different instructor) we will have this test tomorrow and need to score at least an 80.

I've been studying throughout the week but this instructor made it sound more serious. Do they boot you if you don't pass or something? He said if you fail the "A" version they give you the "B" version. When I asked him about correcting it in class I got the blank stare and he said all part 142 schools are required to give this test.

I think I'll be ok but I wish I had more time to prepare.
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First of all, you already know the systems after a week of it being rammed down your throat, slide after slide after slide. Trust me. You'll have access to plenty of review material and will pass the systems test. You are the client. A failing grade helps no one.

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You're the customer. You busting helps no one. They want you to pass so you come back. FSI/CAE is some of the easiest training on the planet. If you're a halfway competent pilot it should be a walk in the park.
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I was just there last month for my recurrent. Patty was my check airman, hes straight forward and puts you at ease. Come checkride day, I was more worried about making it to Geno's for a cheesesteak before I airlined back home.

Is this your first type rating? The hawker was my first jet type and it was probably the easiest type rating I've gotten. That rudder bias makes V1 cuts a joke!
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I was just there last month for my recurrent. Patty was my check airman, hes straight forward and puts you at ease. Come checkride day, I was more worried about making it to Geno's for a cheesesteak before I airlined back home.

Is this your first type rating? The hawker was my first jet type and it was probably the easiest type rating I've gotten. That rudder bias makes V1 cuts a joke!
This is my second type rating but first time through a training center. I received my CE-500 type rating a few months ago but it was done in-house in the aircraft (CE560).

Yeah I hope the rudder bias helps out. I'm training on the proline and one of the instructors said it didn't work as well as it does in the honeywell sim. I sat in the sim and tried it and it seemed to work ok. I start my sim sessions tomorrow so we shall see!
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Orals are typical. No one can know it all. Emergency memory items are big tho....

Do yourself a favor & see if changing the flight director cue command bars from ^ to [-] helps you during your high altitude air work. A decade ago, I was having problems holding altitude during steep turns until I discovered, by accident, that changing the cue & placing a corner of the small square touching the bottom of the 5 degree up line during the turns, kept me within 10 feet every time.

Unlike a recurrent, there is not nearly as much flexibility to continue a checkride if standards are not met. Just a fact. Yeah, you are their customer but they won't give it away either. A recurring problem for many is a lack of familiarity with the FMS. Not having it sequence correctly on a missed gets loads of applicants busted when they follow bars that say "Go right, when you should be turning left.

Another issue is messing with fuel cross feed / transfer in the terminal area. No rule says you have to mess with it at all when you are minutes from landing anyway.

They also love trying to clear you for approaches when you are not ready. It takes maturity to tell them what you want from them & not the other way around. Take delay vectors or remain in a hold until you are ready.

Yeah, you have rudder bias to help you during your V1 cut. But, hold off rotating at VR after you are commited to go. Useing the available runway & extra speed on climb out will help you tremendously with heading & climb performance. The allowable parameter is V2 +10 anyway.


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Just did a 135 recurrent at FSI Wilmington a few weeks ago. My check airman was really straight forward as far as the profile. Know the system basics and emergency/limitations cold. Setting up the FMS properly is crucial. If you get a FSI PNF he/she will know the profile better than anyone and make sure you don't get yourself into a snare trap.

FSI instructors don't try to trick you into mistakes but if you guys are making mistakes ie not reading checklists properly, bad decisions, pressing a bad approach, etc they will let you continue to see if you can dig yourself out or make a decision to snap the accident leading chain of events and debrief it later.
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