Air Choice One - Anyone have the G/B/U?
10-22-2015, 05:36 PM
#22
Disinterested Third Party
Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,002
Originally Posted by Green Giant
It has been my experience that if the company demands a training contract, then you might want to stay away from them. Further more taking a broke pilot to court for a bogus contract in the amount of 10K for basically a C172 with a Turboprop engine just isn't cool. For 10K you could get a B737 type rating.
If you don't plan on staying for the term of the contract, then don't sign it. Contracts exist precisely because of dishonest pilots who take the training and don't honor their word. Don't blame the company; blame those who defecated in the bed in which you must now lay.
It seems that pilots who enter into the contract are more than willing to sign it to get what they want. They don't want to honor their word once they want something else more.
Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.
10-22-2015, 08:08 PM
#23
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: DHC-8 100/300
Posts: 843
Originally Posted by Green Giant
I see them all the time in ORD. I know nothing of the company but from the above quote I would say that isn't cool. Get up to 1200 hours and try Flight Express for some multi time.
10-25-2015, 08:06 AM
#24
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Prop PIC - We hit turbulence!
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
If the pilot signs the contract and has read it before hand, how is it "bogus?"
If you don't plan on staying for the term of the contract, then don't sign it. Contracts exist precisely because of dishonest pilots who take the training and don't honor their word. Don't blame the company; blame those who defecated in the bed in which you must now lay.
It seems that pilots who enter into the contract are more than willing to sign it to get what they want. They don't want to honor their word once they want something else more.
Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.
If you don't plan on staying for the term of the contract, then don't sign it. Contracts exist precisely because of dishonest pilots who take the training and don't honor their word. Don't blame the company; blame those who defecated in the bed in which you must now lay.
It seems that pilots who enter into the contract are more than willing to sign it to get what they want. They don't want to honor their word once they want something else more.
Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.
From seeing most of your posts on here I owe you like 100 beers for logic.
10-25-2015, 04:18 PM
#25
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 11
This company is a piece of $hit!!! From their CEO to DOM they all are scabs!!! From what I have heard, the don't even have a full time chief pilot!!! They have lead pilots who manages a group of pilots (*** is a lead pilot). Never even heard of any 135/121 operation having that. If you have an issue, the lead pilot can't do $hit!!!. Useless program!!! Their MX sucks. The DOM is owner's brother in law who recycles parts from one airplane to another with out repairing it.
Then again, which 135 operator is good. So, get in get your time and get out!!!
Then again, which 135 operator is good. So, get in get your time and get out!!!
10-28-2015, 07:04 PM
#26
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Airbus
Posts: 630
Originally Posted by JohnBurke
If the pilot signs the contract and has read it before hand, how is it "bogus?"
If you don't plan on staying for the term of the contract, then don't sign it. Contracts exist precisely because of dishonest pilots who take the training and don't honor their word. Don't blame the company; blame those who defecated in the bed in which you must now lay.
It seems that pilots who enter into the contract are more than willing to sign it to get what they want. They don't want to honor their word once they want something else more.
Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.
If you don't plan on staying for the term of the contract, then don't sign it. Contracts exist precisely because of dishonest pilots who take the training and don't honor their word. Don't blame the company; blame those who defecated in the bed in which you must now lay.
It seems that pilots who enter into the contract are more than willing to sign it to get what they want. They don't want to honor their word once they want something else more.
Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.
10-29-2015, 09:17 PM
#27
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: Prop PIC - We hit turbulence!
Posts: 40
Originally Posted by underpaid pilot
This company is a piece of $hit!!! From their CEO to DOM they all are scabs!!! From what I have heard, the don't even have a full time chief pilot!!! They have lead pilots who manages a group of pilots (*** is a lead pilot). Never even heard of any 135/121 operation having that. If you have an issue, the lead pilot can't do $hit!!!. Useless program!!! Their MX sucks. The DOM is owner's brother in law who recycles parts from one airplane to another with out repairing it.
Then again, which 135 operator is good. So, get in get your time and get out!!!
Then again, which 135 operator is good. So, get in get your time and get out!!!
By the way, not really sure where you got the owner's brother in law from. I for a fact through people I know that is not the case...that wasn't even the case with last DOM.
It is baseless claims like this which make no sense and clog avenues for actually information up. You just sound like you are disgruntled. I did time there, albeit years ago, but I was never treated unfairly. If you stay the contract and don't act like a dumbass then it really isn't a problem.
10-31-2015, 06:12 PM
#28
On Reserve
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 11
Originally Posted by IcyAviator
Lol advice like this is practically useless. You must not have been in the industry very long if you haven't ever heard of a lead pilot. I've seen them in EMS, 91 subpart K, etc. They are usually in the GOM and are in OpSpecs. But since you seem like an almighty know it all you probably haven't even read either.
By the way, not really sure where you got the owner's brother in law from. I for a fact through people I know that is not the case...that wasn't even the case with last DOM.
It is baseless claims like this which make no sense and clog avenues for actually information up. You just sound like you are disgruntled. I did time there, albeit years ago, but I was never treated unfairly. If you stay the contract and don't act like a dumbass then it really isn't a problem.
By the way, not really sure where you got the owner's brother in law from. I for a fact through people I know that is not the case...that wasn't even the case with last DOM.
It is baseless claims like this which make no sense and clog avenues for actually information up. You just sound like you are disgruntled. I did time there, albeit years ago, but I was never treated unfairly. If you stay the contract and don't act like a dumbass then it really isn't a problem.
You are right, haven't been in the industry long enough, only since 1994!!!
You MAY be right, leads pilot in EMS , Subpart K etc, cause i have NOT worked for those operations but I am referring to Part 121/135 operations. There you go, read the question first before jumping to conclusion and making baseless statements!!!
About the brother in law, I know so, cause i work at this piece of $hit company and have met & dealt with him on many MX issues. I have been called "Co**Su**er" by the same individual. So I know it. I guess you "KNOW" through others. I know it first hand, so one AGAIN,there goes your credibility down the drain!!!
Once agin, you worked here "YEARS AGO", i currently work here. If this place was treating people with respect , dignity & fairly why else would the FO's upgrade and quit as soon they hit 1500? Why else would the street captains break their contract and pay thousands of $$$ to get out of it?
Once again my advise is, get in get your time and get out is all i can say. If you don't believe what i have said, go work there, soon you will be posting here as well!!!
10-31-2015, 09:28 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by underpaid pilot
You are right, haven't been in the industry long enough, only since 1994!!!
You MAY be right, leads pilot in EMS , Subpart K etc, cause i have NOT worked for those operations but I am referring to Part 121/135 operations. There you go, read the question first before jumping to conclusion and making baseless statements!!!
About the brother in law, I know so, cause i work at this piece of $hit company and have met & dealt with him on many MX issues. I have been called "Co**Su**er" by the same individual. So I know it. I guess you "KNOW" through others. I know it first hand, so one AGAIN,there goes your credibility down the drain!!!
Once agin, you worked here "YEARS AGO", i currently work here. If this place was treating people with respect , dignity & fairly why else would the FO's upgrade and quit as soon they hit 1500? Why else would the street captains break their contract and pay thousands of $$$ to get out of it?
Once again my advise is, get in get your time and get out is all i can say. If you don't believe what i have said, go work there, soon you will be posting here as well!!!
You MAY be right, leads pilot in EMS , Subpart K etc, cause i have NOT worked for those operations but I am referring to Part 121/135 operations. There you go, read the question first before jumping to conclusion and making baseless statements!!!
About the brother in law, I know so, cause i work at this piece of $hit company and have met & dealt with him on many MX issues. I have been called "Co**Su**er" by the same individual. So I know it. I guess you "KNOW" through others. I know it first hand, so one AGAIN,there goes your credibility down the drain!!!
Once agin, you worked here "YEARS AGO", i currently work here. If this place was treating people with respect , dignity & fairly why else would the FO's upgrade and quit as soon they hit 1500? Why else would the street captains break their contract and pay thousands of $$$ to get out of it?
Once again my advise is, get in get your time and get out is all i can say. If you don't believe what i have said, go work there, soon you will be posting here as well!!!
11-03-2015, 10:20 AM
#30
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 4
The DOM isn't the brother-in-law, the VP of maintanence is Shane's BIL. The same guy that did bad mx on a Cessna 210 that crashed and multi-aero lost a wrongful death lawsuit over it. The VP of MX called one of the pilots a c**k sucker, and instead of being delt with the pilot was told "you know how he is, and he was having a stressful day", and given a subway gift card. The said pilot found another job in less than a month. The DOM seems to be a decent enough guy, but has no power. MX here seems to be getting worse and worse, and winter is coming up. Most of the experienced captains have left or are leaving, so this winter might get interesting.
Chief Pilot is part time and a place holder only and has another full time job. New assistant CP already missed a trip. The experienced CP and ACP recently quit over bad MX and the designation of "lead pilots". All of these lead pilots are either Shane boot lickers, can't go anywhere else, or both. Rumor around the camp fire is the company has an open LOI because the FAA caught one of these lead pilots using an IPad in the cockpit. One of the lead pilots was fired for assaulting an FO by the last CP, but brought back and given a raise. Recently a pilot was fired for having a run in with this lead pilot. But Shane has his snitches in place, so he's happy.
I honestly give ACO six months to a year and they will not be able to get enough pilots. Every week there are canceled trips because of lack of pilots. Nobody wants to sign a two year contract, and with everybody taking a buyout that contract is basically useless anyway.
As Mr. Rogers said, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood
Chief Pilot is part time and a place holder only and has another full time job. New assistant CP already missed a trip. The experienced CP and ACP recently quit over bad MX and the designation of "lead pilots". All of these lead pilots are either Shane boot lickers, can't go anywhere else, or both. Rumor around the camp fire is the company has an open LOI because the FAA caught one of these lead pilots using an IPad in the cockpit. One of the lead pilots was fired for assaulting an FO by the last CP, but brought back and given a raise. Recently a pilot was fired for having a run in with this lead pilot. But Shane has his snitches in place, so he's happy.
I honestly give ACO six months to a year and they will not be able to get enough pilots. Every week there are canceled trips because of lack of pilots. Nobody wants to sign a two year contract, and with everybody taking a buyout that contract is basically useless anyway.
As Mr. Rogers said, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood
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