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Old 12-03-2015, 04:30 AM
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:48 AM
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This won't change a thing until POI's start enforcing the rules.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:21 AM
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This won't change a thing until POI's stop creating rules.
Fixed it for you ;-)
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:39 PM
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This won't change a thing until POI's start enforcing the rules.
This is ABSOLUTELY correct!

Some do and some don't. I hope they start enforcing it.
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Old 12-03-2015, 01:52 PM
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Okay I have a question. Im pretty new to commercial flying outside of instructing.

I have read the LOI and the op's article. I understand it perfectly. I have been observing that most on demand ops (it seems) do not comply with this reg. So if there has been numerous LOI's addressing this, why isn't it being fixed?

I have learned that OPSPECS supercede regs. Is this wrong? Is nothing being done about this because POI's have approved OPSPECS to allow it?
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Originally Posted by Orangemx View Post
Okay I have a question. Im pretty new to commercial flying outside of instructing.

I have read the LOI and the op's article. I understand it perfectly. I have been observing that most on demand ops (it seems) do not comply with this reg. So if there has been numerous LOI's addressing this, why isn't it being fixed?

I have learned that OPSPECS supercede regs. Is this wrong? Is nothing being done about this because POI's have approved OPSPECS to allow it?
Ops Specs DO supercede regs (like allowing take offs at below standard minimums.) But since most 135 (or 121) Ops Specs are pretty much boilerplate, I'll bet you would have a hard time finding one that supercedes rest requirements. Because it would have had to be specifically signed off by an FAA representative. Wouldn't happen.
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Orangemx View Post
Okay I have a question. Im pretty new to commercial flying outside of instructing.

I have read the LOI and the op's article. I understand it perfectly. I have been observing that most on demand ops (it seems) do not comply with this reg. So if there has been numerous LOI's addressing this, why isn't it being fixed?

I have learned that OPSPECS supercede regs. Is this wrong? Is nothing being done about this because POI's have approved OPSPECS to allow it?
It is a lack of education and enforcement at the local (FSDO) level.
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Old 12-04-2015, 11:28 AM
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Honestly, this horse has been beaten to glue long ago but here goes...

POIs have never been able to approve a change to rest rules and the FAA would never allow it. POIs do regularly allow the operators under their purview to do as they please with regards to 136.267 (amongst many other things) as long as they aren't having incidents. The operator believes that this is their loophole to operate how they want and will tell you that they aren't going to get violated because that violation has to be handed down from the POI. The FAA has stated many, many times in their opinions that the POIs have no legal authority to do this. The operators will also tell you that the LOIs from FAA Legal are just suggestions and they don't have to follow them.

IMO, 135 has some decent protections as far as rest rules yet operators still trample then and attempt to skirt the regs in obvious illegal ways. They cook the books to show that their pilots have had adequate rest and threaten to fire you when cry uncle from being too tired to fly. Fixed wing Air Ambulance operators are particularly guilty of this. You'll have 10-12 hrs off then get a call as you're going to bed to fly all night and do a full 14 hr duty day blocking just under the legal 10 hrs of flying where then they'll ask you to Part 91 the jet home another 2 hrs because they need it 3 hrs from now to fly another patient.

Things have gotten a lot better at the company I just left and they've taken great strides to be more in line with 135.267 and also realizing that 10 hrs may be legal but not necessarily smart. The other company down the street is the other side of the coin. They don't seem to care, regularly ask their pilots to exceed duty day, and also have them do ALL aspects of flight planning and customs clearance within their rest period. Their POI allows this to happen and pilots put up with it because of the money. Two different companies and two different POIs within the same FSDO. Moral of the story is that nothing is going to change until people start walking, calling their employer on being truly legal, or reporting their POI to the FAA as the letters have requested multiple times. It's really turning to be a pilot's market so don't let yourself be subject to these sorts of ops unless it's a matter of feeding your family.
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Default South Florida 135 = Run Away

South Florida 135 operators are one of the most often in violation of 135.267

POIs do not pursue operators to bring them to compliance with 135.267

Crews "resting" in between trip assignments are actually "on call" yet they themselves are their own worst enemies not telling their respective operators NO - Cannot accept this flight assignment as it violates the Rest Requirements / Rules.

Until enough Pilots say NO and until the Local / Regional level of FAA brings operators into compliance with continuous free from all restraints Prospective Rest (Known in Advance) this issue will linger on like Cancer that refuses to go away..
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