WheesUp/Gama
#21
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 44
I would have to agree with you. I think the pay and benefit package far outweighs what other operations offer but I do believe, from what I read of the comments posted, that they appear to be satisfied with a revolving door as there is no seniority list. Even if there is a so-called pilot shortage, I can understand their need to direct hire captains but it is a definite slap in the face to F/O's that have put in their time and are qualified to upgrade but get passed by. Also the hiring practices and favoritism displayed by the three musketeers leaves a ton to be desired. Once you get in and are online though, for flying a King Air, to me, it compares closer to NetJets than any other operation. Wish I could get in there.
#22
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
Health Insurance. Not going to argue that one. Can't be beat. But there's nothing stopping them pulling out the rug on that one.
401K match. Meh. I think it's 50% of first 6% or something like that. Average.
IMHO.
#23
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 44
You have made good points. If I was an F/O there, the lack of a seniority list would be my biggest concern. Howver, my opinion comes from researching numerous other operations. Not to degrade them, but Boutique starts a 350 captain at like $64,000 and the schedule is a lot tougher. In fact I have yet to find a 135 operator that comes even close to what GAMA pays. I have seen much better pay rates in corporate but even they are getting scarce. When WUP first started pilots left in droves solely because of the schedule. I think they are having some growing g pains because there is little to no communication with mgmt in charge. They are getting too big to continue like that forever. The revolving door policy will cost them too much in the long run.
#24
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233
But - and correct me if I'm wrong - Boutique has just ATP minimums posted for their PIC positions. No prior 135, 91K, butler experience, ect. I think when I last looked, only 40hrs multi time was required there. Not the case at WUP.
#25
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 44
That's is,all true but I guess I am just looking at the bottom line. Personally, I would be satisfied with everything that GAMA has to offer as I had to do everything like dump the potty when I flew corporate so it wouldn't matter to me but even with 4000+ hours alone in the 350 it won't come pass. We can all find something to complain about at some point but if your on the outside looking in, the picture definitely is rosier.
#26
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2016
Posts: 2
WUP Time Requirements
Can anybody clarify the time requirements.. On Climbto350 it is a little confusing.
https://s14.postimg.org/45iploogx/Sc...5_13_51_PM.png
Is it 2000? 2500? 2000 for FO's? 2500 for PIC's?
This is not very clear along with upgrade times from SIC...if ever.
https://s14.postimg.org/45iploogx/Sc...5_13_51_PM.png
Is it 2000? 2500? 2000 for FO's? 2500 for PIC's?
This is not very clear along with upgrade times from SIC...if ever.
#27
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 44
Hey, I can't really reply to your request because I am not part of it but would suggest you go back and search out some of the replies that you can find not only on 135, but try fractional and type in gama. you may not find exactly what you are looking for but there appears to be a conflict between what they say and what they do regarding upgrades. there is a lot of favoritism in this regard and I think you will see a generally concern from a lot of the pilots in this one area. if you can hang on long enough, I think it is a better than average place to get on with regarding pay, schedule, and benefits. it maybe can be attributed to growing pains and then again, maybe not. hope you are successful.
#28
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 40
Can anybody clarify the time requirements.. On Climbto350 it is a little confusing.
https://s14.postimg.org/45iploogx/Sc...5_13_51_PM.png
Is it 2000? 2500? 2000 for FO's? 2500 for PIC's?
This is not very clear along with upgrade times from SIC...if ever.
https://s14.postimg.org/45iploogx/Sc...5_13_51_PM.png
Is it 2000? 2500? 2000 for FO's? 2500 for PIC's?
This is not very clear along with upgrade times from SIC...if ever.
3000tt is needed for upgrade from what I've heard
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Position: Begging for a crew meal
Posts: 233