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Old 01-12-2017, 10:45 AM   #11  
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Thanks for all the info.
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:57 PM   #12  
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I know some of the FOs looking to leave here soon when their contracts are up.
Good to know, I'm at around 400 hrs TT and applied recently. waiting to see if they give me a call.
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Old 01-12-2017, 08:49 PM   #13  
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I was curious does the 10k only go to CA or do FO get the 10k for signing a one year contract? Would that bring the total pay to about 34k? Also has there been any talks about possible expansion for the northwest because I remember they said they would possibly have a route from Pendleton to Seattle in the future after getting the route for portland to Pendleton. Thanks for providing the information.
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I was curious does the 10k only go to CA or do FO get the 10k for signing a one year contract? Would that bring the total pay to about 34k? Also has there been any talks about possible expansion for the northwest because I remember they said they would possibly have a route from Pendleton to Seattle in the future after getting the route for portland to Pendleton. Thanks for providing the information.
You don't get 10k for signing the contract. You owe 10k (prorated down after 6 months) if you don't complete the contract. This is a common practice and is done to ensure that the company gets a return on the free training that they provide.

PDX-PDT is up and running. Seattle was mentioned as a possibility but I haven't heard anything recently.
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Old 01-14-2017, 12:38 PM   #15  
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This is a common practice and is done to ensure that the company gets a return on the free training that they provide.
No it's not. Training contract should be a red flag to anybody. It means high turnover rate.
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No it's not. Training contract should be a red flag to anybody. It means high turnover rate.
Not necessarily. The company spends three weeks and ~10 hours of actual flight time to get you proficient in the PC-12. It's not unreasonable to want to protect that investment considering the time it takes to hire and screen pilots (think fingerprinting, background checks, PRIA, uniforms, etc), train them, and then replace them when they move on.

Street captains could bounce at 1500 TT after 3-4 months without a training contract, which would be the biggest reason for high turnover. Pilots can also buy out of the contract, and I haven't heard of any contract enforcement if you decide to be that guy (which you shouldn't). First officers are likely not affected much by the contract because most of them will take a year to hit 1200-1500 TT anyway.

Boutique knows it's a stepping stone, and that the majority that come here to fly are going to move on at some point. That doesn't make a 1 year contract a red flag automatically. It is something to take into consideration before you sign it, but the implications it has on most pilots are not too significant in the grand scheme.
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No it's not. Training contract should be a red flag to anybody. It means high turnover rate.
I don't think high turnover in this segment of the industry should be a red flag at all. It should be applauded! It means movement in the industry as a whole which is a great thing.
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Not necessarily. The company spends three weeks and ~10 hours of actual flight time to get you proficient in the PC-12. It's not unreasonable to want to protect that investment considering the time it takes to hire and screen pilots (think fingerprinting, background checks, PRIA, uniforms, etc), train them, and then replace them when they move on.
No training contracts in the 121 world and the cost of training per pilot is much more. My current company spends over $30,000 per pilot on training not including monthly guarantees. Only airline I can think of that has any sort of contract is Frontier and maybe Mesa. It's a ploy to get people to stay. Take it from me and several of my co workers at the time. Keep in mind Boutique didn't have training contracts for probably a year before implementing them.

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I don't think high turnover in this segment of the industry should be a red flag at all. It should be applauded! It means movement in the industry as a whole which is a great thing.
Go work for a 135 EAS company and you'll understand why there's movement.



Not trying to scare new hires away. I'm trying to fill you in on the reality of this kind of position. It's a much better way to build time than instructing any day. Will be awesome when they get the charter side of things up and running again.
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You don't get 10k for signing the contract. You owe 10k (prorated down after 6 months) if you don't complete the contract. This is a common practice and is done to ensure that the company gets a return on the free training that they provide.

PDX-PDT is up and running. Seattle was mentioned as a possibility but I haven't heard anything recently.
As has been said here many times, avoid training contracts. The regionals figured it out. It's a matter of time before the 135 world figures it out. When offered a training contract, send them the TBNT letter and move on. This isn't 2009. Company training is a cost of doing business. You have already paid for your training to get your certificates. This training contract garbage is an obsolete model. Don't do it because you don't have to.
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