Part Time in Arizona
 

Hey guys, anyone know of any part time flying gigs in Arizona? Im looking to supplement my CFI flying.

If I remember correctly, GCN is hiring for part-time Captains. Their bases are too far for me to drive, so that did not work out.

Have you considered the flight safety down in Tucson? Great part-time and networking opportunity, which I also turned down because I live in PRC....

I did training in AZ a looong time ago. Just saw this job and thought about all the good memories from flying around in AZ. Perhaps something for you?

https://www.***************.com/jobs/view/id/9222.html

CP

Right, that didn't work - American Aviation, Inc. looking for "scenic tour pilot" out of Page KPGA.

Use a lot of caution working for American Aviation and Larry Wright. Consider the potential impact to your certificate, your career, and your life.

I applied through climb350, without doing some research, and next morning I had 7 calls and one email from them. They must be extremely desperate :confused:

Check out some skydiving ops. Give them a call and see if they allow observers to sit in the right seat (if they have turbo prop planes) and if so, fly down with a student or two and take a ride in the plane and see if you like it.

Oh ok, didn't mean to lead people in to a bad gig, had no idea these people were (potential) crooks.

CP

The only place in Arizona where you will find that equipment or opportunity is Skydive AZ. They may allow someone to ride right seat, if the flight isn't a training flight, but will charge the cost of a jump ticket. Not really much to be learned from riding along. For those seeking a job, there's 100 hours of training and a 18 month contract.

Skydive Az, is a great group of pilots. They are the largest operator of the Shorts Sc7 Skyvan in the world, have a sizeable fleet including 9 Skyvans, 4 Twin otters, a Garrett powered Caravan, a Porter, Beech 18 and the granddaddy DC3. Its the busiest drop zone in the world, you will fly many many night hours, they operate out of E60 and the private location for mainly military. They have a large MX facility, and are a well run operation. They flying I did there was the most fun and challenging of my career.

it may be a stupid question, but is there any weight limitation for the pilots?
I've seen a few job ads (c182s) were they required the pilot to be 230 or less.

Are you asking about Skydive AZ? I have no idea about weight limitations, but they don't fly 182's. It's Short Brother's Skyvans, and DeHavilland Twin Otters.

Just in general. I guess twin otters don't have any kind of limitation :)
Anybody knows the hiring minimums?

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750h min 1000h preferred. I'm almost there, 510h, 240h left

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They hire a lot in the 300 hour range.

Huh I'm giving them a call monday morning. Nothing to lose

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Visits in person are far more useful than phone calls, texts, faxes or mailed resumes.

Hey Javichu, Skydive AZ is one of the top DZ's in the country, and they can afford to be very picky about choosing their pilots. I think you need to apply in person if you think you have any chance at all of getting the job. I did, I drove all the way out there just to drop off my resume. I spoke to the chief pilot for all of about twenty seconds. (I never heard back from them.) By the way, how much does Flamenco Air pay? Please send a PM if you don't want to post the numbers in this thread.

That's true.

It's the largest dropzone in the country, also largest in the world. It's got the largest fleet of skyvans in the world. It's the busiest civil/military training DZ in the world, and in fact the majority of their business is military. They opened a second airport about ten miles southwest, last year, strictly to handle additional military training.

Choosey or picky? How picky can they be when they're hiring 300 hour pilots? They hire low time, require a 18 month contract, and insist on at least 100 hours of training time. Pilots who aren't making it at that point may be cut loose.

What do they want in an applicant? That could only be answered by the people doing the hiring, but it's a cinch that one can't get hired without applying.

How much follow-up did you do? How many additional follow-up visits? If they've just hired, they may not be hiring again immediately. It doesn't hurt to show up again and again...pilots leave, and others are needed. It's the one standing in front of the desk, hat in hand, that gets the closest scrutiny when the need goes out.

John Burke,

Thanks for the info. I have heard that pilots at Skydive AZ can log a good number of hours in a week. What is a typical day there in terms of flight hours and length of duty-days?

+1 to Grand Canyon/Scenic. While the FO pay is pretty dismal and work rules aren't super great, you wont be forced to do anything illegal and the planes are maintained. They have AWESOME pass benefits...no CASS tho. Plus its XC instead of up and downs...might kill two birds with one stone.

How do you log XC time on repetitive scenic tours?

Seems like they rarely have SIC openings posted on their website. Do you know what the hiring situation for SICs is at Senic? Is it a know the right person kind of thing? Would love to get on with them at some point.

The same way cross country is logged anywhere else.

They have dozens of daily departures to destinations 150+sm away. Don't know how that's anything but x-country. Not sure if they're hiring fos. They're ALWAYS hurting for captains (like most 135s)

Mr. Burke, I keep seeing american aviation in different job boards and I can't find to much information about them.
Could you share some information about them? Why working for them could possibly mess with your future in aviation

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Former SDAZ pilot here. In general, SDAZ always 'needs' pilots, but they don't always need one *today*, if that makes sense. You might be hireable and liked by them but it could take a couple months before an expected pilot position opens up for you from when an 18 month 'veteran' leaves for a new job.

And yes, be persistent. Everyone who gets hired there does more than merely drop off a resume and then disappear (or was well connected).

It's a fun job in a fun sector of the aviation industry, but like any place, there's still things that also could be better about it. None of which would dissuade me from suggesting people go there.

AZFlyer,

Thanks for the info. How many hours are SDAZ pilots able to log? How many hours is a typical duty-day?

Yes, I can see how "once and disappear" would not work. Then, how often should a person turn in a resume? Once a week? And is there any other way to get noticed? Is there a way to get into the "culture" there so a person can become a known and liked entity?

You can usually fly between 60-100 hours per month, depending on whether you're checked out in both of the main fleet types or just one of the fleets, on time of year, on the group you're assigned to if flying military work. Some military groups will only do a couple loads all day, while some other groups will turn non-stop from sun up to sun down. Just depends on what they need and how much of your tax dollars they show up in hand with for converting Jet A into noise.

There is a fine line between being too pushy and not being heard from enough. As others said, making an in-person delivery of your resume at least gets your face seen and you can give your 'elevator pitch'. If you're a good talker and catch the CP at a lull in the chaos you may get the chance to ride along or talk at length. Otherwise, I don't know, maybe follow up every 2 weeks or so? Just a guess.

As for the culture, well, it's a drop zone. Everyone is there because they like skydiving. ;) Make friends with skydivers, maybe do a tandem at the zone and mention your interest in being a pilot, etc.

I wasn't aware scenic flights included a landing.
Without looking it up sight seeing flights are considered to be non-stop are they not?

A cross country flight does not require a landing, and yes, many of the scenic flights are cross country flights between Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, Henderson, and Boulder City, to Grand Canyon, and Canyon West, as well as Marble Canyon, Page, Flagstaff, Cliff Dweller's Lodge, Whitmore Ranch, and several other locations in the area.

The basic element of a cross country is a landing at a point other than the point of departure, except for cross country for the purposes of an ATP, which only requires that the flight reach a point more than 50 miles from the point of departure (but need not land). Cross country as applicable to the student pilot certificate is 25 miles with a landing, and for the private and commercial 50 nm with a landing.

To answer your question about logging cross country...just the same as any other.

Who logs cross country any more? I don't think I've put cross country in a logbook in over 25 years.

AZFlyer, Thanks for the feedback. It's always good to hear from someone who has already worked there.

I know what a XC is lol, just wasn't aware those types of scenic flights included a landing.
And at 10k+ I still log XC time but that's for my own sh!tts and giggles.