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Old 10-27-2017, 08:00 PM   #11  
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Lots of mx issues. Illegal mx in at least one case. I could go on and on about the mx issues and in one case a pilot almost died.
A contract that is totally stacked against the pilots.
An unreasonable, to the letter of the contract, chief pilot who would fly anything in any condition into any weather, therefore you should too, and you will be pressured too.
Penny wise, dollar foolish....but, at the pilotís expense, of course.

There really is so much more. But I donít feel like writing a book tonight.

All Iím trying to say is that they should be a last resort, not a first choice.

Check out Landcare.
What about just training? They have a good rate on the multiengine. Even their Arrow.
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are you serious?
You know, not everybody knows everything about every business out there.
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:21 AM   #13  
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Lots of mx issues. Illegal mx in at least one case. I could go on and on about the mx issues and in one case a pilot almost died.
A contract that is totally stacked against the pilots.
An unreasonable, to the letter of the contract, chief pilot who would fly anything in any condition into any weather, therefore you should too, and you will be pressured too.
Penny wise, dollar foolish....but, at the pilotís expense, of course.

There really is so much more. But I donít feel like writing a book tonight.

All Iím trying to say is that they should be a last resort, not a first choice.

Check out Landcare.
I think you forgot the most important one, Air America doesn't employ pilots, they contract them. You are an independent contractor; they will send you a 1099 at the end of the year and you will be responsible to pay all the extra self-employment taxes as well as losing on the other legal protections provided to employees.
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:49 AM   #14  
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You know, not everybody knows everything about every business out there.
I know, I was just being sarcastic. I assumed that thier reputation preceeded them.

All know about their training is that it is affordable. I think itís pretty cheap, actually. A lot of us Riddle guys used them. I also know that a student had an accidental bird strike one of the main struts on a skyhawk (while solo) and air america made him pay for the repair to the sheet metal. I dont remember the exact cost, but it was over $600. And they wouldnt let him see if he could find a place that would do it cheaper. Air America made him use Air Americaís mechanics.
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Old 10-28-2017, 05:54 AM   #15  
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I think you forgot the most important one, Air America doesn't employ pilots, they contract them. You are an independent contractor; they will send you a 1099 at the end of the year and you will be responsible to pay all the extra self-employment taxes as well as losing on the other legal protections provided to employees.
Yes, but you are not respected as a contractor. You are treated as an employee, and in fact, the IRS has determined that air america pilots are employees. So, you can fill out a form to change your status, but you will probably get fired, knowing them...
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Old 10-28-2017, 06:44 AM   #16  
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What about just training? They have a good rate on the multiengine. Even their Arrow.
It's been a few years, but it was a place to get your ATP knocked out quick and cheap. Two days and $1200, plus ($700 ) for the DPE, probably $1000 by now? By the way, the DPE I got was no Santa Claus. The ground portion was over 2 hours. He covered every aircraft system in detail, plus performance calculation. And he was just as demanding during the ride.

But I guess no one gets their ATP like that anymore, now that the ATP rules have changed? Judging from what I read on these forums, most get it at a Regional these days?
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Old 10-28-2017, 12:32 PM   #17  
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It's been a few years, but it was a place to get your ATP knocked out quick and cheap. Two days and $1200, plus ($700 ) for the DPE, probably $1000 by now? By the way, the DPE I got was no Santa Claus. The ground portion was over 2 hours. He covered every aircraft system in detail, plus performance calculation. And he was just as demanding during the ride.

But I guess no one gets their ATP like that anymore, now that the ATP rules have changed? Judging from what I read on these forums, most get it at a Regional these days?
I was thinking about getting my multi commercial add on there after I get my single commercial. Can't beat the price per hour with plane and instructor.

So they don't have an on staff examiner huh? Or they do and he's just hard? Or maybe he was just that way for the ATP.
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Old 10-28-2017, 12:38 PM   #18  
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I know, I was just being sarcastic. I assumed that thier reputation preceeded them.

All know about their training is that it is affordable. I think itís pretty cheap, actually. A lot of us Riddle guys used them.
Why would you Riddle guys be using them when that's what Riddle is for?
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Why would you Riddle guys be using them when that's what Riddle is for?
Because you cant just rent a riddle plane and take it wherever, whenever, and its hard to schedule lessons; too many students per instructor.
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:56 PM   #20  
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Because you cant just rent a riddle plane and take it wherever, whenever, and its hard to schedule lessons; too many students per instructor.
So how does that work? I mean you're paying ER tuition I assume and that includes the cost of flying I assume. So ER pays for you to rent from them or how does that work?
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