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natlitter 10-23-2017 10:38 AM

Multi and/or SE Turbine Survey Pilot Needed
 
Title:
Aerial Survey Pilot

Location:
Huntsville, AL

Reports To: Atlantic’s Flight Operations Manager

About Atlantic:
Atlantic is a technology-driven remote sensing, surveying and consulting business. Atlantic’s staff of certified professionals, who are known as thought leaders in their field, provide geospatial, remote sensing and consulting solutions to government and private sector clients. Atlantic’s client list includes many top government agencies and private sector clients across North America.

Job Description: Atlantic is seeking an experienced aerial survey pilot for its growing operations. The primary role of this position is to serve as pilot in command in one of five company owned aircraft (PAC 750, PA31-350, C401, C210, and BE 58). Their primary responsibility will be to safely and effectively collect airborne LiDAR and/or aerial photography data from a fixed-wing aircraft. This field-based position requires extensive travel (4 weeks out and 1 week at home) and willingness to work in constantly changing environments.

Responsibilities: The successful candidate will be required to perform the following duties at Atlantic:

1. Serve as pilot in command in a fixed wing aircraft while maintaining applicable CFR Title 14 standards.
2. Work with the Flight Operations Manager on a daily basis to plan airborne data collection strategies aimed at meeting the schedule and quality requirements of Atlantic’s clients. This includes, but is not limited to: evaluating site basing, monitoring weather conditions, tracking and forecasting aircraft maintenance, and assisting in crew/maintenance scheduling.
3. Provide daily status updates to Atlantic’s Flight Operations Manager on work performed by the field crew.
4. Responsible for the completion of all post mission/flight reports.
5. Assist in light maintenance and aircraft up-keep

Qualifications and Requirements:

The successful candidate(s) must meet the following qualifications and requirements:

· Minimum Total Time: 500 Hours (100 multi) and 750 TT for the turbine
· FAA Class II Medical
· FAA Commercial Certificate with Multi/Instrument Ratings
· Previous aerial survey experience preferred
· Previous twin Cessna or Piper Navajo experience preferred
· Working knowledge with Microsoft Office including Excel and Word
· Candidates should have a demonstrated ability to work both independently and in a team environment.
· Ability to travel up to 4 weeks at a time is required.
· Relocation to Huntsville, AL or the surrounding area is preferred.

Compensation and Benefits:
This is a full-time position that is eligible for full medical, dental, vision and life insurance through Atlantic. The candidate(s) will be able to participate in the company’s 401(k) and will have both paid vacation and paid holidays throughout the year. Salary will be negotiated based on the merits of the successful candidate(s).

To Apply:
Please e-mail your cover letter and resume to Nathanael Litter, Atlantic’s Flight Operations Manager – [email][email protected]

SonicFlyer 10-23-2017 05:54 PM

what does it pay?

kalungs 10-23-2017 06:37 PM

whats the single engine requirements? same?

brocklee9000 10-25-2017 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by kalungs (Post 2453188)
whats the single engine requirements? same?

Looks like 500TT is the hard minimum for anything, then 750 hard minimum for any turbine.

StartUp161WanaB 10-26-2017 04:15 PM

There should a thread on here about this
Stay away from them

brocklee9000 10-26-2017 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by StartUp161WanaB (Post 2455113)
There should a thread on here about this
Stay away from them

Worse than air america?

BravoPapa 10-26-2017 10:43 PM


Originally Posted by brocklee9000 (Post 2455195)
Worse than air america?

You mean Air America in Daytona? If so, why is it so bad?

Gasfiltered 10-27-2017 08:33 AM

I believe either the 500 or the multi or both are non-negotiable even though it says SE or ME. I am local and other than the one guy who is on every thread they post, they have a good reputation among the local pilot population.

I guess I shouldn't say "believe", I hope it is because they've been looking for a couple of months and although I have time in a couple of the types they fly, I'm friendly with the local place that services most of the country's PAC-750s, I have a lot of experience in data acquisition, surveying, and high op-tempo deployments, and I have an active security clearance (a common, but not often advertised requirement for survey work), I can't seem to get any traction yet. Maybe my resume has a big 'ol typo on it or they absolutely need those times/types for insurance or something. My Multi checkride is in 3 days, I'll update with them after that and see what happens.

If you do get hired with less, please post up some details, would love to know what they hit on your resume that I'm missing.

Elmo17 10-27-2017 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2455286)
You mean Air America in Daytona? If so, why is it so bad?

are you serious?

Elmo17 10-27-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2455286)
You mean Air America in Daytona? If so, why is it so bad?

Lots of mx issues. Illegal mx in at least one case. I could go on and on about the mx issues and in one case a pilot almost died.
A contract that is totally stacked against the pilots.
An unreasonable, to the letter of the contract, chief pilot who would fly anything in any condition into any weather, therefore you should too, and you will be pressured too.
Penny wise, dollar foolish....but, at the pilot’s expense, of course.

There really is so much more. But I don’t feel like writing a book tonight.

All I’m trying to say is that they should be a last resort, not a first choice.

Check out Landcare.

BravoPapa 10-27-2017 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2455843)
Lots of mx issues. Illegal mx in at least one case. I could go on and on about the mx issues and in one case a pilot almost died.
A contract that is totally stacked against the pilots.
An unreasonable, to the letter of the contract, chief pilot who would fly anything in any condition into any weather, therefore you should too, and you will be pressured too.
Penny wise, dollar foolish....but, at the pilot’s expense, of course.

There really is so much more. But I don’t feel like writing a book tonight.

All I’m trying to say is that they should be a last resort, not a first choice.

Check out Landcare.

What about just training? They have a good rate on the multiengine. Even their Arrow.

BravoPapa 10-27-2017 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2455830)
are you serious?

You know, not everybody knows everything about every business out there. :)

Gasfiltered 10-28-2017 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2455843)
Lots of mx issues. Illegal mx in at least one case. I could go on and on about the mx issues and in one case a pilot almost died.
A contract that is totally stacked against the pilots.
An unreasonable, to the letter of the contract, chief pilot who would fly anything in any condition into any weather, therefore you should too, and you will be pressured too.
Penny wise, dollar foolish....but, at the pilot’s expense, of course.

There really is so much more. But I don’t feel like writing a book tonight.

All I’m trying to say is that they should be a last resort, not a first choice.

Check out Landcare.

I think you forgot the most important one, Air America doesn't employ pilots, they contract them. You are an independent contractor; they will send you a 1099 at the end of the year and you will be responsible to pay all the extra self-employment taxes as well as losing on the other legal protections provided to employees.

Elmo17 10-28-2017 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2455866)
You know, not everybody knows everything about every business out there. :)

I know, I was just being sarcastic. I assumed that thier reputation preceeded them.

All know about their training is that it is affordable. I think it’s pretty cheap, actually. A lot of us Riddle guys used them. I also know that a student had an accidental bird strike one of the main struts on a skyhawk (while solo) and air america made him pay for the repair to the sheet metal. I dont remember the exact cost, but it was over $600. And they wouldnt let him see if he could find a place that would do it cheaper. Air America made him use Air America’s mechanics.

Elmo17 10-28-2017 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by Gasfiltered (Post 2455981)
I think you forgot the most important one, Air America doesn't employ pilots, they contract them. You are an independent contractor; they will send you a 1099 at the end of the year and you will be responsible to pay all the extra self-employment taxes as well as losing on the other legal protections provided to employees.

Yes, but you are not respected as a contractor. You are treated as an employee, and in fact, the IRS has determined that air america pilots are employees. So, you can fill out a form to change your status, but you will probably get fired, knowing them...

OuterMarker 10-28-2017 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2455865)
What about just training? They have a good rate on the multiengine. Even their Arrow.

It's been a few years, but it was a place to get your ATP knocked out quick and cheap. Two days and $1200, plus ($700 :eek:) for the DPE, probably $1000 by now? By the way, the DPE I got was no Santa Claus. The ground portion was over 2 hours. He covered every aircraft system in detail, plus performance calculation. And he was just as demanding during the ride.

But I guess no one gets their ATP like that anymore, now that the ATP rules have changed? Judging from what I read on these forums, most get it at a Regional these days?

BravoPapa 10-28-2017 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by OuterMarker (Post 2456017)
It's been a few years, but it was a place to get your ATP knocked out quick and cheap. Two days and $1200, plus ($700 :eek:) for the DPE, probably $1000 by now? By the way, the DPE I got was no Santa Claus. The ground portion was over 2 hours. He covered every aircraft system in detail, plus performance calculation. And he was just as demanding during the ride.

But I guess no one gets their ATP like that anymore, now that the ATP rules have changed? Judging from what I read on these forums, most get it at a Regional these days?

I was thinking about getting my multi commercial add on there after I get my single commercial. Can't beat the price per hour with plane and instructor.

So they don't have an on staff examiner huh? Or they do and he's just hard? Or maybe he was just that way for the ATP.

BravoPapa 10-28-2017 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2455989)
I know, I was just being sarcastic. I assumed that thier reputation preceeded them.

All know about their training is that it is affordable. I think it’s pretty cheap, actually. A lot of us Riddle guys used them.

Why would you Riddle guys be using them when that's what Riddle is for?

Elmo17 10-28-2017 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2456213)
Why would you Riddle guys be using them when that's what Riddle is for?

Because you cant just rent a riddle plane and take it wherever, whenever, and its hard to schedule lessons; too many students per instructor.

BravoPapa 10-28-2017 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2456465)
Because you cant just rent a riddle plane and take it wherever, whenever, and its hard to schedule lessons; too many students per instructor.

So how does that work? I mean you're paying ER tuition I assume and that includes the cost of flying I assume. So ER pays for you to rent from them or how does that work?

Elmo17 10-29-2017 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2456478)
So how does that work? I mean you're paying ER tuition I assume and that includes the cost of flying I assume. So ER pays for you to rent from them or how does that work?

Technically, no. Lenders consider flying to be “high risk” and wont lend money for flying. So, you have to accumulate extra loan $ not spent on tuition and use that for flight lesson costs, or use grant $.

I recommend skipping college. Just use credit cards (or get a loan; DO NOT tell the loan officer it is for flight lessons, unless you have a good cosigner) at a part 61 flight school. You dont need a college degree, but you can always get one later after you are a regional airline pilot. I dont know of any aviation colleges where tuition covers the cost of flight training.

Ive heard good things about ATP. You pay a bit more, but will have a CFI job waiting for you and you will get there quick. But, I think a part 61 school is the cheapest option. From PPL to CPL, I estimate under $18,000. If you decide to get your multi and CFI right away, that will cost more obviously. You could probably get a job with a wet CPL and just skip the multi and CFI.

brocklee9000 10-29-2017 02:01 PM

It was the same at my university. I attended a state university, and the flight department was in-house. That means when you looked up the N numbers, it was registered to the university. Being a state entity, there were all sorts of liability issues. Which is a shame, because they used to rent them out. But then one PPL and his instructor had a high-profile crash, they played the "reshuffle administration and fire some people" game, and it became a very not-so-fun place. So we had to go pay lotsa money to rent from nearby FBOs, none of which were especially close by, and the planes/maintenance weren't as great as our part 145 guys.

dera 10-29-2017 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by Elmo17 (Post 2456861)
Ive heard good things about ATP. You pay a bit more, but will have a CFI job waiting for you and you will get there quick. But, I think a part 61 school is the cheapest option. From PPL to CPL, I estimate under $18,000. If you decide to get your multi and CFI right away, that will cost more obviously. You could probably get a job with a wet CPL and just skip the multi and CFI.

You're forgetting the few hundred hours you have to build from PPL to CPL..

Elmo17 10-29-2017 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2456980)
You're forgetting the few hundred hours you have to build from PPL to CPL..

Yes I did.....Im thinking you’d have have about 150ish hours after getting the instrument (BTW, do as much instrument at night as you can to get night hours) so you’d still need about 85more hours before starting the Commercial. You could always split the cost with a safety pilot for that time....possibly in a 152 if your light enough....so maybe another $5k? Total being around $22k? I know the prices have probably changed since I did it, so thats all guesstimate.

natlitter 11-06-2017 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Gasfiltered (Post 2455528)
I believe either the 500 or the multi or both are non-negotiable even though it says SE or ME. I am local and other than the one guy who is on every thread they post, they have a good reputation among the local pilot population.

I guess I shouldn't say "believe", I hope it is because they've been looking for a couple of months and although I have time in a couple of the types they fly, I'm friendly with the local place that services most of the country's PAC-750s, I have a lot of experience in data acquisition, surveying, and high op-tempo deployments, and I have an active security clearance (a common, but not often advertised requirement for survey work), I can't seem to get any traction yet. Maybe my resume has a big 'ol typo on it or they absolutely need those times/types for insurance or something. My Multi checkride is in 3 days, I'll update with them after that and see what happens.

If you do get hired with less, please post up some details, would love to know what they hit on your resume that I'm missing.

I haven't seen a resume that fits this description, but send me a PM and I'll see if I missed something.

natlitter 11-06-2017 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 2453152)
what does it pay?

$35-70k depending on experience


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