Citation Job
06-04-2019, 03:08 AM
#11
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Posts: 484
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Now for something completely different.
How many hours do you expect to fly in this Citation?
400/year that’s 3 years to ATP
300/year 4 years to ATP
200/year 6 years to ATP
Are you sure you want this?
Busy flight school will have you at ATP within 2(!) years.
Yes only piston PIC.
Had a former student who fell into a GV job right after his CPL.
Ended up flying <100(!) hrs a year.
Got himself stuck in a golden cage.
Not enough hrs to go anywhere but a single engine piston job....after 5 years.
Last time I saw him he was late 40’s and still <1000hrs.
You may need to choose a job that gets you to ATP the quickest and forego the shiny jet.
How many hours do you expect to fly in this Citation?
400/year that’s 3 years to ATP
300/year 4 years to ATP
200/year 6 years to ATP
Are you sure you want this?
Busy flight school will have you at ATP within 2(!) years.
Yes only piston PIC.
Had a former student who fell into a GV job right after his CPL.
Ended up flying <100(!) hrs a year.
Got himself stuck in a golden cage.
Not enough hrs to go anywhere but a single engine piston job....after 5 years.
Last time I saw him he was late 40’s and still <1000hrs.
You may need to choose a job that gets you to ATP the quickest and forego the shiny jet.
There are several “Citation-like” jobs like the one OP described above here in Vegas but the annual flight hours are minimal. That doesn’t work very well for getting to an ATP and eventual major/LCC job later.
06-04-2019, 03:28 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
This ^^^
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/multiple-errors-contributed-to-fatal-teterboro-lea-456614/
Lear not a Citation but that doesn’t matter for the story.
Bad PIC with a bad SIC.
I’m sure they both thought they knew “it” also.
This has to be a Part 91 operation so you should be logging SIC time even with a PIC type.
Once you start flying empty legs as “sole manipulator” you could log PIC but it would behoove you to log Dual received also.
The other pilot doesn’t need an MEI to teach you, same company so he/she needs an ATP.
Have them sign your log entries.
It’s now legal and explainable.
Let’s not forget it’s not only the regs but the Insurance company that determines who can be PIC, acting or otherwise.
Now for something completely different.
How many hours do you expect to fly in this Citation?
400/year that’s 3 years to ATP
300/year 4 years to ATP
200/year 6 years to ATP
Are you sure you want this?
Busy flight school will have you at ATP within 2(!) years.
Yes only piston PIC.
Had a former student who fell into a GV job right after his CPL.
Ended up flying <100(!) hrs a year.
Got himself stuck in a golden cage.
Not enough hrs to go anywhere but a single engine piston job....after 5 years.
Last time I saw him he was late 40’s and still <1000hrs.
You may need to choose a job that gets you to ATP the quickest and forego the shiny jet.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/multiple-errors-contributed-to-fatal-teterboro-lea-456614/
Lear not a Citation but that doesn’t matter for the story.
Bad PIC with a bad SIC.
I’m sure they both thought they knew “it” also.
This has to be a Part 91 operation so you should be logging SIC time even with a PIC type.
Once you start flying empty legs as “sole manipulator” you could log PIC but it would behoove you to log Dual received also.
The other pilot doesn’t need an MEI to teach you, same company so he/she needs an ATP.
Have them sign your log entries.
It’s now legal and explainable.
Let’s not forget it’s not only the regs but the Insurance company that determines who can be PIC, acting or otherwise.
Now for something completely different.
How many hours do you expect to fly in this Citation?
400/year that’s 3 years to ATP
300/year 4 years to ATP
200/year 6 years to ATP
Are you sure you want this?
Busy flight school will have you at ATP within 2(!) years.
Yes only piston PIC.
Had a former student who fell into a GV job right after his CPL.
Ended up flying <100(!) hrs a year.
Got himself stuck in a golden cage.
Not enough hrs to go anywhere but a single engine piston job....after 5 years.
Last time I saw him he was late 40’s and still <1000hrs.
You may need to choose a job that gets you to ATP the quickest and forego the shiny jet.
I appreciate your comments. These are things that I have been thinking about as far as time goes. It’s no secret that there’s a mandatory retirement age and because of this, I have been leaning more towards instructing. This “golden era” or “boom” isn’t going to last forever and time is what matters in the end. If it takes me 5-6 years to get the time in a turbine then from my perspective I’d just shoot myself in the foot.
06-07-2019, 06:22 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: Captian, G450, G550 (Ret.)
Posts: 165
Av8,
Do yourself a favor and ignore negativeness.
If you have an opportunity to get a type rating at your stage, I say go for it. Even if it is an SIC type. it will be excellent experience attending a professional jet school and will help you with your future type ratings.
JohnBurke is right (although a bit acerbic), a type rating in itself is only a license to learn. It will not open doors for a Captain job until it is backed up with plenty of experience. You have a rare opportunity so if it is legitimate, you really should consider it as a good career move.
Kevin
Do yourself a favor and ignore negativeness.
If you have an opportunity to get a type rating at your stage, I say go for it. Even if it is an SIC type. it will be excellent experience attending a professional jet school and will help you with your future type ratings.
JohnBurke is right (although a bit acerbic), a type rating in itself is only a license to learn. It will not open doors for a Captain job until it is backed up with plenty of experience. You have a rare opportunity so if it is legitimate, you really should consider it as a good career move.
Kevin
06-12-2019, 02:48 PM
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Posts: 47
Originally Posted by 7Xdriver
Av8,
Do yourself a favor and ignore negativeness.
If you have an opportunity to get a type rating at your stage, I say go for it. Even if it is an SIC type. it will be excellent experience attending a professional jet school and will help you with your future type ratings.
JohnBurke is right (although a bit acerbic), a type rating in itself is only a license to learn. It will not open doors for a Captain job until it is backed up with plenty of experience. You have a rare opportunity so if it is legitimate, you really should consider it as a good career move.
Kevin
Do yourself a favor and ignore negativeness.
If you have an opportunity to get a type rating at your stage, I say go for it. Even if it is an SIC type. it will be excellent experience attending a professional jet school and will help you with your future type ratings.
JohnBurke is right (although a bit acerbic), a type rating in itself is only a license to learn. It will not open doors for a Captain job until it is backed up with plenty of experience. You have a rare opportunity so if it is legitimate, you really should consider it as a good career move.
Kevin
At a citation job if I’m flying 50 hours a month and from what I’m hearing it’s not common to even do that then that means I’m giving up a year or more in seniority and pay. Hypothetically if I were to give up that year for the sake of numbers that year towards the end of my career could be worth 200-500k depending on who I fly for.
Currently I have a friend who’s father flys for Fedex and is pulling in the latter number I mentioned above each year. From a retirement standpoint that’s a hard number to swallow and give up for a type rating... just my opinion.
06-12-2019, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Way too much gotta-have-it-now emphasis put on seniority.
06-12-2019, 05:56 PM
#20
All is fine at .79
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Position: Paahlot
Posts: 4,082
Originally Posted by av8nallday
Agreed and that my friend has caused me to evaluate further into the downsides as you can see from my response.
JB is right.
You gottta have a little fun while you’re doing it also.
Just chasing seniority is not the name of the game.
Making wise choices and taking opportunities is.
Which is the hardest thing by the way...wise choices which may not always be the most fun choice but sometimes they do coincide.
Trying to read tealeaves for 40 years from now will just drive you crazy.
No guarantees in life.
Many,many, maaaaany qualified and more then qualified pilots never get hired by the Majors of this world.
Airlines go under or merge and your seniority just went...right out the window.
Let alone life throwing you a curveball in your personal life or medically.
How important is that seniority then?
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