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Old 08-17-2021, 09:25 AM
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Has anyone built time by volunteering with religious organizations? I see a lot of them want pilot/mechanics but only require 400 hours if you have your mechanic's license. Without the mechanic training minimums jump to 1000 hours or more.

Just curious if any of these organizations worked out for time building and if anyone had any success with them.
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Old 08-19-2021, 02:39 PM
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I have a friend that does it, but I don't think it's a time building thing, more like a mission and they probably expect you to be part of that religion.
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Old 08-23-2021, 12:09 PM
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Has anyone built time by volunteering with religious organizations? I see a lot of them want pilot/mechanics but only require 400 hours if you have your mechanic's license. Without the mechanic training minimums jump to 1000 hours or more.

Just curious if any of these organizations worked out for time building and if anyone had any success with them.
I've never done it myself but was really into the actual mission(aviation speaking) so I did a ton of research, looking for a way around the whole religion part of it. There is none, and it's not really a time building job. You need a church sponsor, and have to meet certain religion requirements to insure you spread the word to those who "need it". I'm and A&P and meet all the hours but it doesn't matter, no way around the church stuff.

If the church aspect of it is not a problem for you and you can self fund/get funding, then go for it. The experience seems unbelievable. I followed this guy for a while but he's gone dark. Not sure if he's still flying-
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Old 08-27-2021, 04:05 PM
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Our non profit flight school was started by a guy who used to do missionary stuff. The AP license requirement is because out in the field you need to be able to fix your own plane if needed.

That being said, You could find a school like ours and volunteer with the small group kiddos who are doing community service in exchange for flight hours. Teach them ground as well once a week.
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Some years ago I was in Madang, Papua New Guinea, and spotted a Cessna 206 loading up with everything imaginable in an open hangar. It was notable because the gear was squatted out, not any daylight visible in the aircraft, and it was packed. I enquired about the operation; missionary aviation fellowship (MAF); largest of the missionary outfits.

I enquired about what they wanted for their pilot applicants, and he rattled off some numbers, then said, "but we wouldn't consider you."

I asked why that might be. I hadn't told him anything about myself, background experience, and wasn't actually looking for a job. Just making some conversation.

"We don't take people of your theological affiliation." He said. I thought that was interesting, as I hadn't broached that subject.

"Aren't you a Christian organization?" I asked. He nodded. "Aren't you supposed to love all mankind?"

"We hate catholics, too," he said, "But we'll fly them if they pay us enough."

I walked off. I'd heard enough.
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Old 08-31-2021, 04:08 PM
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Some years ago I was in Madang, Papua New Guinea, and spotted a Cessna 206 loading up with everything imaginable in an open hangar. It was notable because the gear was squatted out, not any daylight visible in the aircraft, and it was packed. I enquired about the operation; missionary aviation fellowship (MAF); largest of the missionary outfits.

I enquired about what they wanted for their pilot applicants, and he rattled off some numbers, then said, "but we wouldn't consider you."

I asked why that might be. I hadn't told him anything about myself, background experience, and wasn't actually looking for a job. Just making some conversation.

"We don't take people of your theological affiliation." He said. I thought that was interesting, as I hadn't broached that subject.

"Aren't you a Christian organization?" I asked. He nodded. "Aren't you supposed to love all mankind?"

"We hate catholics, too," he said, "But we'll fly them if they pay us enough."

I walked off. I'd heard enough.
Wow. Dude was quite the a-hole, regardless of what faith he espouses. Out of curiosity, how exactly did he figure out your faith just by looking at you? That sounds like more of a racism kind of move.
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Old 09-01-2021, 04:23 PM
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Religion is not a race. Neither is appearance.

Given that homo sapiens has no subspecies, there is no such thing as race. Racism exists by the perpetuation of the believe in the false concept of race. If one promotes the idea of race, one is a racist.

Prejudice against someone for their belief, or the perception of their belief, is not racist.

Just stupid.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Religion is not a race. Neither is appearance.

Given that homo sapiens has no subspecies, there is no such thing as race. Racism exists by the perpetuation of the believe in the false concept of race. If one promotes the idea of race, one is a racist.

Prejudice against someone for their belief, or the perception of their belief, is not racist.

Just stupid.
Now let's not muddy up the waters with something like the truth.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Religion is not a race. Neither is appearance.

Given that homo sapiens has no subspecies, there is no such thing as race. Racism exists by the perpetuation of the believe in the false concept of race. If one promotes the idea of race, one is a racist.

Prejudice against someone for their belief, or the perception of their belief, is not racist.

Just stupid.
I don't disagree. I guess my curiosity was about how he just out of nowhere made a judgment about your religious preference before then deciding to show his prejudice? Do you look Amish?
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You'd have to travel back several decades and ask him. Let me know what you find out.

How did you just out of nowhere choose Amish? You see my point?
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