TedStryker

I don't want to perpetuate this argument since it's not central to the original poster's question. However, you need to get a couple facts straight because you are wrong.

1) It's Part 61, not Part 63.

2) Aircraft certification has EVERYTHING to do with a pilot. Every aircraft type certificate must specify the minimum number of crewmembers. This is in fact a Part 23/25 requirement. See §§ 23.1523 and 25.1523.

For instance, the CE-500 aircraft requires two pilots per the type certificate. This is not a Part 61 issue, it's part of the certification of the aircraft. The CE-500 MAY be flown by a single pilot; however, this is accomplished under an exemption to Part 23 called Exemption 4050.

3) JediNein made an offhanded comment about logging SIC time in "single-pilot" aircraft. She included the Metro and the Beech 1900 in this list. My point was simply to clarify that the SA-227 Metroliner and BE-1900 are not "single-pilot" aircraft. Both aircraft require two pilots per their type certificate(s). Therefore, an SIC is required and logging this time would be perfectly appropriate in these instances.

dn_wisconsin

Sorry, 61......miss type and didn't think about it twice.

Anyway I have my 1900 book in front of me I flew it for a few years and I'm sure there are many on here that have so they can contribute. Guess what its certified for 1 person. So is the Metro and so is the Cessna 501 not the 500. If I remember correctly there are a few things moved around the cockpit to be able to make it a 501 so it can be flown by a single pilot. Look I don't really want to argue this that much but aircraft has to be certified for 1 or 2 and in the old days 3 pilots when it goes through certification. If it is certified for 1 pilot that is all you need. Maybe a Mesa guy can shed more light on the subject because I believe their captains had the single pilot type and on repo legs they flew single pilot so the company saved money.

Either way if the aircraft is certified for one person which the 1900, metro and some others are.......that is all you need. Don't confuse aircraft certification with pilot certification, which I said before because if the plane is not certified for one person getting a single pilot waiver or type rating wouldn't matter. That would be like getting a single pilot type for the 737, not gonna happen the min crew is 2 vs. the 1900 the min crew is 1. On top of that the 1900 does not require a "waiver." If the type rating is done solo that is all you need to fly single pilot. I think you also answered your own arguement by saying under PART 23 you can fly single pilot.......thats not 61. That is aircraft certification.

So don't tell me the 1900 requires 2 pilots, if you read the manuals it says 1, just like all the other king airs, just like the metro and the 501 but not the 500 unless you have the waiver. If you don't believe me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_1900

Basically the exemption allows the operator to fly with one pilot even though the plane was certified for two, in the case of the citation. The 1900 and the metro were originally certified for 1 pilot so no exemption is required.

own nav

I'm not sure even an exemption is necessary for single pilot on these planes. It's regs such as part 135 regarding 10 plus passengers that makes them required. Where it's cargo, part 135 doesn't require it.

On the subject of exemptions, however, if you have an AMF Ops Manual, I suggest you look them up under in the ops specs.

AviatorPHL

My buddy does the Jaa 737 air india FO program with them. I would not do this program at all. First off airlines dont like "pay to play pilot" go get your MEI. You do all the twin multi time with Ameriflight, and yes your captain doesn't have to invite you to the crashpad if he doesnt want to either! Basically your there ***** and at the bottom for everything!!!

mshunter

You people make me absolutely sick! I spent my time earning my experince just to have some dumb-a like you short change the whole industry and pay to WORK! Thanks for making the industry what it has become, and helping everyone in it continue the race to the bottom! I hope you find yourself in some kind of certificate action in the future and loose the right to be a pilot!


Mods: Violate, ban me, whatever. I really don't care. If this is what the industry is becoming, I'm out!

WildSmurf

Harsh but straight to the point. I don't know about the violations being called for though. I can understand exactly about this point of view. I'm a CFI for a few years building time and experience and know of one or two incidents where a rich kids dad bought them flight time. It's hard to sit by and watch that. More so when the kid with his wet commercial comes back to my coworkers and tells them how to fly a turbine.
The WildSmurf

wrxpilot

Wow. I can't believe you would put up with BS like that...

Guys and girls, that's not paying your dues. It's called being used and abused. That's no way to live if you respect yourself.

fr8dog1369

Well, It worked out great for me and I had a blast doing it.

Golden Bear

Some prostitutes can end up making a large sums of money and have a great time doing it.

wrxpilot

You either have self respect or you don't. Just sayin'...