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Old 09-23-2010, 05:10 PM
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I think Perdue has some kind of program where students get kingair time, and something tells me that he was logging PIC while also receiving dual. Be very careful using PIC logged legally, but where you weren't the actual person who signed for the aircraft- particularly when looking for jobs. What's legal for the FAA (and useful for meeting MEI minimums, for example) can still look like you're trying to misrepresent your experience to perspective employers.
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:02 PM
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50 Hours PIC in a King Air at 350tt = Pilot Interacting with atC

either that or he stole a C90 and logged it as PIC... who in there right mind would let a guy with 350tt be a PIC on a king air unless the owner wanted it to crash so he could collect on the insurance.

Lol hilarious, yup pic in a king air with 350tt my a$$, I could just see a CP
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurboPilot View Post
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50 Hours PIC in a King Air at 350tt = Pilot Interacting with atC

either that or he stole a C90 and logged it as PIC... who in there right mind would let a guy with 350tt be a PIC on a king air unless the owner wanted it to crash so he could collect on the insurance.

Lol hilarious, yup pic in a king air with 350tt my a$$, I could just see a CP
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Well smarty, if he came from a school like I did, he took a ground school course which covered King Air Operations and systems, and he has a full King Air Manual. I'm guessing he'd probably do pretty well with systems questions on a King Air. "Tell me about a time" questions would be a bit more difficult.

If there is anyone out there interviewing who doesn't realize that (excepting a wealthy person flying their own aircraft) a 300 hour pilot probably isn't flying the King solo - then they are just to stupid to be let out in public. Of course they know he wasn't the only pilot in the A/C - they probably also understand the sort of program he came from and give due credit. News flash - no one "signs" for the aircraft under Part 91. It's under 12,500#, and he was sole manipulator - he can log PIC (what the insurance company requires doesn't count in this case).

If he indeed came from a good program, he was indeed manipulating the controls and doing a lot more than just "interacting with ATC." Is he ready to go operate a King Air solo - no, but give some credit where it's due.

On the other hand, I agree with those who've commented that at the end of 4 years in aviation studies you should have found ways to at least double if not triple or more the total time you have. That would be one of my first questions in an interview - what were you doing all that time? He should have had Comm/Inst at the end of two years and tacked on ME & CFI shortly thereafter, which would leave two years of virtually no flying. That's what I'd want to hear the answer to (and there could be legitimate reasons, but that low TT is going to be very limiting).

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Old 09-23-2010, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by detpilot View Post
I think Perdue has some kind of program where students get kingair time
Perdue has no such program - they sell chickens.

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Purdue University on the other hand has had such a program for many years. Currently the program is changing with the re-fleeting, but that is a topic for another thread. To steal an excerpt from their website:

The History of Professional Flight Technology : About Us : Aviation Technology : Purdue University College of Technology : West Lafayette, Indiana
Another integral part of final two years of the Professional Flight Technology program involves what is now called Turbine Flight Operations (TFO - formerly Supervised Flight Operations, SFO).TFO combines the need for air transportation by members of the university community with the multi-engine turbine flight experience required for students. The concept began in the 1960s with the donation of a used corporate Beech 18 aircraft, which was later replaced by a Piper Navajo. The turbine age began in 1983 with the addition of a Beechcraft C90-1 King Air. Today, the turbine fleet consists of two Raytheon Beech Super King Air 200's and a Raytheon Beechjet 400A all equipped with the latest satellite navigation, collision avoidance, flight management systems, and computer generated displays. All flight students serve as copilot on the Raytheon Beech Super King Air 200's. This activity allows them to experience actual airway procedures and corporate aircraft operations, in a variety of weather conditions throughout the United States. A select group of six students per year are chosen through a competitive process to receive a type rating and serve as copilot on the Raytheon Beechjet 400A. The TFO program served as a model in developing a corporate specialty area for students in the late 1980s. During this same time period, students could choose between airline, regional airline, and corporate plans of study. After much review and discussion, the flight faculty determined that the knowledge and skills required for success in these three areas were, in fact, common and, as a result, the three programs were merged into one Professional Flight Technology program. All flight majors now earn the BSAT through the same plan of study rather than having to choose between three separate options.
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Are you the UPS MD-11 FO that came in to give a presentation in DP and JY's CRM class about 3 years ago? If so, you're the man!
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That Be20 program is what made me the pilot I am today. I took things seriously up until that point, but it really nailed into me what it really takes. All the stuff you do the first two years at PU is fine, but that program really drove me to put it all together. That and the 727 sim were probably the two greatest things offered IMO. Some people still never realized what they were really getting out of it.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier View Post
Well smarty, if he came from a school like I did, he took a ground school course which covered King Air Operations and systems, and he has a full King Air Manual. I'm guessing he'd probably do pretty well with systems questions on a King Air. "Tell me about a time" questions would be a bit more difficult.

If there is anyone out there interviewing who doesn't realize that (excepting a wealthy person flying their own aircraft) a 300 hour pilot probably isn't flying the King solo - then they are just to stupid to be let out in public. Of course they know he wasn't the only pilot in the A/C - they probably also understand the sort of program he came from and give due credit. News flash - no one "signs" for the aircraft under Part 91. It's under 12,500#, and he was sole manipulator - he can log PIC (what the insurance company requires doesn't count in this case).

If he indeed came from a good program, he was indeed manipulating the controls and doing a lot more than just "interacting with ATC." Is he ready to go operate a King Air solo - no, but give some credit where it's due.

On the other hand, I agree with those who've commented that at the end of 4 years in aviation studies you should have found ways to at least double if not triple or more the total time you have. That would be one of my first questions in an interview - what were you doing all that time? He should have had Comm/Inst at the end of two years and tacked on ME & CFI shortly thereafter, which would leave two years of virtually no flying. That's what I'd want to hear the answer to (and there could be legitimate reasons, but that low TT is going to be very limiting).
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Old 09-24-2010, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bcrosier View Post
Perdue has no such program - they sell chickens.
Duly noted...
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by amd87 View Post
Bcrosier-

Are you the UPS MD-11 FO that came in to give a presentation in DP and JY's CRM class about 3 years ago? If so, you're the man!
Nope sorry, not the same one - I wish I could be that unhappy at my job and make that much money at it! I'm just a lowly ATA refugee, trying to make my way in the world.

DP & JY do run a good CRM class - I audited the class the first semester they taught it, and I got a lot out of it. It's been a good while since I've been back for a visit, but there are a lot of good people there doing good things. As someone else aptly put it, historically the program has given low time pilots some great tools to work with as they grow and gain experience. I hope that continues to be true with some of the changes they are making as they program continues to evolve.
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Old 09-25-2010, 07:40 AM
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Purdue is not where I graduated from, FYI. That's a factory...but they do make a good product.

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