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SDFflyboy 04-20-2011 08:05 AM

Multi Time building in FL
 
Just wondering if anyone has used this to build multi time? I have 10hrs and need to build more.:confused:
Thanks!

SDFflyboy 04-20-2011 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by SDFflyboy (Post 983005)
Just wondering if anyone has used this to build multi time? I have 10hrs and need to build more.:confused:
Thanks!

sorry...here's the link.
Accelerated Professional Pilot Program - The Fastest Multi Engine Time Building Program

snippercr 04-20-2011 10:34 AM

If I recall correctly, I think if you buy X amount of hours, you actually fly X/2 under the hood with, with the other part being safety pilot time. If that concerns you as far as getting a job, read some of the many posts regarding multi-engine time building. It has been long (and hotly) debated as to the worth of safety pilot time as far as getting a job.

The debate isn't about if you can "legally" log PIC as safety pilot (you can) but is it useful to help you land a job. Again, the topic has been flogged to death several time. The short answer? It depends :)

But more to your original question, I have eyed that place. I like that they have a more diverse fleet of senecas - a bit more "real" twin than the trainer seminole. I even think a few might be certified for known ice, although being in florida that's not much of an issue.

Cruz5350 04-20-2011 02:00 PM

Do not I repeat do not use this company. Go to Ari Ben if you need some multi time.

SDFflyboy 04-20-2011 08:23 PM

Thanks for the advice!

love2av8 04-20-2011 10:24 PM

I went to Ari Ben probably 12 years ago. The planes were okay. They wanted the time builders to fly at night but we knocked out the hours quick. I got my MEI there and they stuck me with a lot of wet tickets breaking them in. Flew all over Florida at night, 4+ hours a night. Knocked out the multi time quick though. Never really had any mx issues or anything. The Dutchess was a nice flying plane. Not sure if times have changed over there. It got me the 100 hours I needed to get on my schools insurance to teach in our twin.

propjunkie 04-21-2011 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 983064)
If I recall correctly, I think if you buy X amount of hours, you actually fly X/2 under the hood with, with the other part being safety pilot time. If that concerns you as far as getting a job, read some of the many posts regarding multi-engine time building. It has been long (and hotly) debated as to the worth of safety pilot time as far as getting a job.

The debate isn't about if you can "legally" log PIC as safety pilot (you can) but is it useful to help you land a job. Again, the topic has been flogged to death several time. The short answer? It depends :)

But more to your original question, I have eyed that place. I like that they have a more diverse fleet of senecas - a bit more "real" twin than the trainer seminole. I even think a few might be certified for known ice, although being in florida that's not much of an issue.

Any way you get it its still Multi time which will meet hiring mins, insurance, what have you.

As far as getting a job "paying to play" isn't near as good as getting legitimate PIC time like Amerifilight, or other 135 operators. Truthfully it just depends on the hiring need of the company and the other people they have interviewing.

NoBeta 04-21-2011 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 983173)
Do not I repeat do not use this company. Go to Ari Ben if you need some multi time.


UGHHHHHHH!!!!!......... Nah!

Cruz5350 04-21-2011 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by NoBeta (Post 983640)
UGHHHHHHH!!!!!......... Nah!

It's the lesser of two evils lol. The place he listed uses an MEI in the back seat and logs the time and half the planes on their website are not even theirs.

NoBeta 04-21-2011 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 983796)
It's the lesser of two evils lol. The place he listed uses an MEI in the back seat and logs the time and half the planes on their website are not even theirs.

If that's the case, I wouldn't use either one of the two choices. I would also question the legality of an MEI logging time from the backseat with two people up front already logging time. :confused:

Anyone care to chime in about an MEI logging time from the backseat while someone is already logging PIC and someone logging PIC safety pilot time???

That just does not sound right.....

SDFflyboy 04-21-2011 07:26 PM

I really wish I had more options build time. Paying is the only way I see right now. Although I'm not crazy about being a safety pilot..100 wet vs 265 an hr certainly looks very appealing The Louisville area doesn't have many options for a 325TT 10 ME!?!

hc0fitted 04-21-2011 08:46 PM


Originally Posted by NoBeta (Post 983836)
Anyone care to chime in about an MEI logging time from the backseat while someone is already logging PIC and someone logging PIC safety pilot time???

That just does not sound right.....

Is that a serious question ? ;)

NoBeta 04-21-2011 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by hc0fitted (Post 983924)
Is that a serious question ? ;)


Sure it is. According to Cruz they are doing it. So can someone give some input. Doesn't seem legal to me at all. How could an instructor log PIC without sitting in one of the pilots seats, without access to the controls. Sounds shady to me.;)

hc0fitted 04-22-2011 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by NoBeta (Post 983926)
Sure it is. According to Cruz they are doing it. So can someone give some input. Doesn't seem legal to me at all. How could an instructor log PIC without sitting in one of the pilots seats, without access to the controls. Sounds shady to me.;)

of course it is not legal...... How could one really expect to log flight time while sitting in the backseat? If you are sitting in the back you are just a passenger.... That is super shady and very desperate

PhilipTexas 04-22-2011 07:13 AM

I would recommend Ari Ben, now called aviator college. I did all of my multi time building there and am instructing there now. It might not be the fastest, but it probably is the cheapest. The number of hours you fly per day depends a lot on you and your partner. The slackers won't fly after midnight and will cancel if there is a could in the sky, others will fly every night from 6pm to 6am. The airplanes are all old, but the MX is pretty good. The current director of MX has been there for about 3 years and he is great, so the stories you've heard about their MX from the past simply aren't true anymore.

I'm not sure exactly what the price is now, it was about $80/hr wet when I did it aver a year ago, fuel prices have gone up a lot since then though. Even if you don't want to count the safely pilot time, you're still logging multi time pretty cheap.

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Cruz5350 04-22-2011 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by hc0fitted (Post 984018)
of course it is not legal...... How could one really expect to log flight time while sitting in the backseat? If you are sitting in the back you are just a passenger.... That is super shady and very desperate

Check 61.51 H and I believe they said it was because the MEI in the back was still providing instruction even though he was in the back seat. At least that's how I believe they explained it to me. Plus if the MEI was an ATP they could log it all as PIC also.

wizepilot 04-22-2011 05:13 PM

I'm an MEI. And an ATP. That will be the day when I log time from the back seat. Guess I am old school. This is all a bunch of road apples.:cool:

multiflyer 04-01-2012 10:11 PM

For people that want an update on people getting done from Atriplep or Time Building Central. The gentleman that has 5 hours can come back anytime and finish it. We have completed his student name Michael Lin. He did 30 hours with no problems or issues. He flew out plane from RBD to HND in vegas. He flew from there to SJX ,then back to Dallas. He completed this in 4 days. We had a few others from this same school in Denton and they were all happy to. Please go to our website if your interested in time. We want this kid to come back an complete. Thanks for everybody interest. Happy flying, TBC.

multiflyer 04-01-2012 10:16 PM

Time building central is a 2 pilot crew just like ari ben, or aviatior college. We also offer a program where the person can pay for the entire plane and fly with a mentor for insurance. They is no question on who is PIC. The mentor is just riding along for our fleet insurance. Thanks to all that are interested in flying with TBC. We have had well over 3500 happy pilots that are flying with airline or corporate world wide that have came through our doors.


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