AcesHigh

I know I'm barely insurable, your not telling me something I don't know.I didn't say I'm not going to do my CFI. $1500 is silver pay. I absolutely hate the should've picked another career for wages comment.

Just erase the whole I went to Silver didn't like their pay comment out your mind .It seems as though this is the comment SOME people are stuck on.


I am just wondering in my AREA other options of what people that don't instruct do.IE Jump Pilot,Crop Dusting etc etc.People talk about minumums and all that..As we've all heard in the aviation, it's all about WHO you know.

Silver was going to hire me with 241TT.They called me when I had 232.Hence me making a post on options and leads.

Flyhayes

There is a glider operation over at Homestead General. I have no clue what they require to be a tow plane pilot, but it couldn't hurt to take a trip down there to ask around.

Systemized

Congrats on flying the PC-12 with such low time. Did you go to Simcom or FSI and did you pay for the training yourself? I am currently lobbying an owner of a PC-12 to pay for my PC-12 initial training at Simcom(cost of 6-8K). I am not aware of the insurance numbers but I would be surprised if an insurance company would allow you to operate the PC-12 as single pilot with 300 hours. If I get my PC-12 initial training, (I will never pay for training myself) I will probably be looking to pick up some trips here and there, nothing full time at first. Where I live PC-12s are the plane of choice for the wealthy. I haven't discussed compensation with anyone that owns/operates the PC-12 yet so I am curious what others think. $400-$600/day or $150-$250/hour and 45K-60K are numbers I would use for negotiation strategies.

AcesHigh

I appreciate it. I went to SimCom in Orlando last July. It was paid for by a company with the plan to hire me and another pilot to fly the aircraft.It wouldn't be single pilot ops.Thing is, the aircraft was on lease and the actual owner of the aircraft was VERY particular as to would be operating his aircraft.Or something of that sort, as this was news handed down to me.

As for compensation, your guess would be as good as mine.I think 4-6 a day would be a little steep, but I could be wrong..I think average maybe around more $200-$300 a day.I saw pay wages on that aircraft somewhere a while back.But I hear average yearly is around that 45k-60k figure that you noted.

Where are you from? I hear there are some carriers overseas wanting some expats for the PC12...Primarily India.$4000 USD a month. I have a buddy of mine over there that is trying to make some moves with that company possibly so I'll have to wait and see!

AcesHigh

As for your comment Baron. The guy? You may call me Ace. And it seems as though your trying to belittle me over the fact that I have such little time, that the ONLY thing I can do is instruct.

I didn't come on here to post to hear your negativity, nor your ignorance for that matter. NOT EVERYBODY INSTRUCTS TO GAIN HOURS. Nor did I ever say that I expect to go somewhere without hours.. Hence me currently enrolled in an Academy to get my CFI, CFII, MEI. For some reason, everybody is under the impression that you MUST instruct. That's far from true. You have some good learners, and you have some bad teachers... I wouldn't want a bad teacher teaching me improper protocol. So in the EVENT that instructing doesn't work out for ME. This is my reasoning for the post. But it seems as though your too narrow-minded to read past the first paragraph.

And yes, I have less than 300 hours... Divide that by 2 add half a score and that's the amount of hours I had when I got certified to fly the PC-12 while I was still at the Academy. Don't act like I don't know what the hell I'm doing,because I surely do.

It's called having a plan B sir.


Thankyou folks with the congrats and POSITIVE feedback.

AcesHigh

I will give them a call Hayes. Are you from the Miami area?

word302

So you were grabbed up for a turbine job before you had a commercial license? What company in their right mind puts a guy in PC-12 training with 160TT?

Systemized

I live in the rocky mountain region. The PC-12 is a great performer around the mountains. It handles ice well and has very short take-off and landing requirements. The trailing link gear will let you put her down on a rough surfaces if need be. The PC-12 does well on short flights when landing at high altitudes on hot days. The PC-12 can carry more weight than the TBM with operating costs marginally higher and speeds only 10-20 knots slower. Used PC-12s are holding their value better than most other turbines. I would rather fly a King Air 200/200/350, but from an ownership perspective the PC-12 makes the most sense.

I am currently not interested in leaving the country for work and If I did, it would be for an ISR job. I am always trying to increase my experience level, income, and qualifications. With persistence and patience, the part 91 jobs will come to me if I continue to meet the right people and make the right connections. Single Pilot operations are mainly what I'm interested in. I instruct part time free lance and charge between $45-$70/hour or $150-$200/day. If I'm compensated accordingly I will pick up some part 91 flights/trips here and there. It's easy to get into the right seat of a nice plane if you offer your services for a discount, however I am not willing to cross that line. I will not sell my services for less than they are worth.

There are market rates for specific pilot services, but there will always be the pilot that under values himself causing the market rate to drop.

I have a difficult time justifying the investment of comerical-multi, then selling myself for 16K-23K per year. It is even worse when the job requires at least 1000 hours and starting pay is still only 20K. Starting pay at Silver airways is the same as someone working 40 hours a week earning $9/hour.

Although I would never do it, flying right seat in a single pilot rated plane for dirt cheap is less of a concern then flying for dirt cheap in the right seat of a plane certified for two pilots.

The new ATP rule mandate might have an effect on the price of first year regional FO pay. I would consider a regional job if first year pay was around 35K-40K and upgrades were two-three years which is not going to happen. Supply and demand might change over time, but the mentality of certain pilots with never change.

With a wet commercial and CFI you could earn at least 35K per year while furthering your career at the same time.

AcesHigh

My story on how I got into aviation is a long one. But like I said prior, sometimes its about who you know in aviation. But that doesn't matter. Fact is I got my PC-12 training paid for because there are some really big people that think I could accomplish the job a week after getting my instrument rating. Things fell through and I still got my cert so I'm happy =)


"There are market rates for specific pilot services, but there will always be the pilot that under values himself causing the market rate to drop."

"I have a difficult time justifying the investment of comerical-multi, then selling myself for 16K-23K per year. It is even worse when the job requires at least 1000 hours and starting pay is still only 20K. Starting pay at Silver airways is the same as someone working 40 hours a week earning $9/hour."

HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD . And the point I've been trying to make!

Flyhayes

I'm in the Daytona area, but I fly all over the state. Homestead is where I pick up fuel when headed to the Keys.