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Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 1139628)
There is going to be some hiring coming up in the next five years. And you'll be competing with RJ captains with 10,000 + hours and furloughed American guys with 15K plus and a wallet full of heavy jet type ratings. After those guys all get hired they will start looking to guys like you.
I must be really down on the far side of list :eek::) USMCFLYR |
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Originally Posted by IrishFlyer757
(Post 1139466)
Agree with much of what you're saying. However, I am not saying this is going to happen tmrw. By the time I have an ATP, 1500TT, 1000ME and if they type me on the jet, even as an SIC, then I doubt I'd be dragging them down. I'm not going to hop in the right seat with 400TT and 100 ME. My whole point was do I stick around and see if it happens, or jump to the airlines and fly for a living and be on my merry way. These guys came up in the company and went into the CL30 out of a Baron. Why should my route be any less realistic?
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Originally Posted by Zona Pilot 1830
(Post 1139782)
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It appears to me that you just answered your own question. Honestly, is this post flame bait??? Why would you leave that $80K job and put your new bride in a position to live off CFI wages for an unforeseem amount of time??? Or, IF you do get to the regionals, have her live off even less than what some flight schools are paying their CFI's while she never sees you. I really need to stop reading posts on this website. :mad: No, not flame bait. I am 100% certain I'd like to make my career aviation related. The only way to chief pilot jobs, etc, etc with a corporate gig is to have credentials. The only way to get the credentials is go put my time in and pay my dues. I know it is a crap shoot and uncertain. However, if I leverage my abilities outside of being a pilot (MBA/CPA) then I hope to have supplemental income outside aviation. When I finally have the right skill set to be a chief pilot or something similar one day then I will have the aviation skills and the business skills necessary to make it a (hopefully) easier choice for someone doing the hiring that I can manage their aviation department. I know there is a lot that goes into it, but I would be short changing myself if I never try. I do like my job a lot. However, the promotion from my job now leads to a desk or cube and that spells out boredom for me. My dad has been a pilot for 25 years with NWA. I know the lifestyle and uncertainty but it still draws me in. I know by leaving this job it reinforces the poor decision made by management, but am I too idealistic to think that one day, after flying the line, I can use my experiences to help the plight of the regular line pilot by working in Union Mgmt, Airline Mgmt, etc? |
Just for the record, I'm a regional FO, my wife runs her own business (a large construction firm). She is lucky to have a normal 9-5 day, and often brings her work home with her, but at the end of the day, she's still home every night and considerably happier with her job.
She also makes eight times what I do, doesn't regularly work holidays or weekends, doesn't have a federal agency looking for any way to end her career, doesn't have to think about passing a medical every year, and doesn't have to commute halfway across the country to work. I'm not saying don't go for flying if you truly love it. As long as you've weighed the options, it's ultimately down to how you feel. As someone who's doing the airline dance (with a good schedule for that matter), I can absolutely say I envy my wife's desk job every day and can't wait to get out of the airlines. QOL, time at home, flying where and when I want to - far more important than a Captain seat on a 777 as far as I'm concerned. |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 1139628)
Only you can make that descion. I've told you what I think about it. But let me be more clear. In the environment that exists with Airline management vs pilots I think you'd be crazy to leave your job and jump into the low pay, abusive, snake pit that is commercial aviation.
Ps There is going to be some hiring coming up in the next five years. And you'll be competing with RJ captains with 10,000 + hours and furloughed American guys with 15K plus and a wallet full of heavy jet type ratings. After those guys all get hired they will start looking to guys like you. I've been at UAL 15 years and I just BARELY made more than your 80K this year and I am on reserve and I have no control of my schedule. You need to realize what you are asking for here!! I haven't had a weekend or a holiday off in over 5 years and I am one of the lucky ones because most of the guys at my seniority haven't had a weekend off or a holiday off in 10 years. I was lucky enough to have been a pilot instructor during some of the last decade which afforded me some control over my schedule. Yeah I know it won't happen to you because you're smarter than the rest of us poor slobs and would NEVER go to work for UAL or any company that treats their employees like used condoms and dirty underwear right? Let me tell you loud and clear IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT AIRLINE YOU GO TO WORK FOR, IN 10 YEARS IT WILL BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COMPANY. The SWA's and Fed Ex's of today will be the low pay, slave ships of tomorrow. That is just how it works and you have no control over it and you have no way of picking the "right" company because they all change at some point. UAL was the crowned champion of airlines when I got hired here. We had SWA and FedEx guys coming over by the hundreds. I thought I was pretty cool when I got hired here in 1997. This career whether airline, corporate or whatever is a total crap shoot. Know that and truly understand it before you jump in. Chances are you WON'T get to the majors and if you do it won't be what you thought it was. I don't mean to rain on your parade but this is the hard cold truth. So, thanks for sharing your personal experience but keep your negativity. You may just need to find something else to do! Guess what, that is exactly what I am trying to do: fed up with my IT Engineering job (and I will not list all the reasons here, it will take pages and hours of my time) and I am ready to switch to something I really enjoy doing! |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1139923)
No one said we were smarter than you! Sorry, it did not work out for you, it did for many. And this is valid for ANY job field.
So, thanks for sharing your personal experience but keep your negativity. You may just need to find something else to do! Guess what, that is exactly what I am trying to do: fed up with my IT Engineering job (and I will not list all the reasons here, it will take pages and hours of my time) and I am ready to switch to something I really enjoy doing! As far as doing something that you really enjoy......are you a professional pilot yet or an IT professional? I only ask this because I would ask how do you KNOW that you would really enjoy commercial (focusing on airline) flying? If I told you that I was ready to get out of the flying business and jump head long into the exciting and fluid IT world, would you not be shaking your head just a little and saying to yourself 'man this guy has no idea what he is getting into. I should share with him the 'pages and hours' of my experiences with the IT profession!' DirectTo - JEEZ! If you're making anywhere nearly what I think you are making as a regional FO and your wife is making 8 TIMES what you are making, I would think that you have the financial stability to quit a job that you believe was sucking the soul from your life and have the "QOL, time at home, flying where and when I want to..." leaving you free to stay at home or pursue a career that you found more to your liking. USMCFLYR |
Personally
Personally if someone were to offer me a free hour in a 737 to do whatever I wanted I would not even walk across the street to do it. Flying big jets never interested me. It was the huge salaries and time off that caught my interest.
If all things were equal I would rather mow lawns. I just don't get it. Big jets are boring and uninteresting. Silver tubes that all look alike. The job is miserable. Nothing fun about it. Guys in the 70's made the big cash because without it no one would do it. I imagine that plumbers, dentists and lawyers hold the same motivators. The reason to fly was for the cash, control and lifestyle. Take that away and might as well stuff mailboxes and sleep in your own bed. Skyhigh |
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 1139733)
DANG Airhoss!
I must be really down on the far side of list! USMCFLYR MY APOLOGIES SIR!!:D Edit to include after the 10K RJ capts and the 15K AAL guys, but those guys only get hired after ALL of the retired USMC F-18 talent has dried up! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one said we were smarter than you! Sorry, it did not work out for you, it did for many. And this is valid for ANY job field. So, thanks for sharing your personal experience but keep your negativity. You may just need to find something else to do! That did come off as very negative not my intent, my intent was to make a strong point. And that point is that in this business you simply can not make an educated pick because of the fluidity of the business. I can not tell you how many RJ "kids" meaning fresh F/O's who tell me all about their plan and how it's going to workout for them because they are going to go to work for a good stable airline. Good and stable just don't mean crud ten years from now. That was my point, sorry for coming off as a burned out negative old man. :o ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Personally Personally if someone were to offer me a free hour in a 737 to do whatever I wanted I would not even walk across the street to do it. Flying big jets never interested me. It was the huge salaries and time off that caught my interest. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, fellow Romans ^^^^^^^^if this is the reason you are attracted to this career DO NOT become an airline pilot. This is the most surefire 100% certain path to failure that there is in this industry. The NUMBER 1 thing an interviewer looks for in an applicant is his or her love of flying and dedication to aviation, if you even hint to the above you will bust your interview and be out the door faster than top fuel funny car running 100 yards at full bore! Code broken, you are welcome. And SH, THANK YOU for that moment of clarity it shall be preserved for all future explanations of your wonderment as to why it didn't work out for you. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- IF757, OK, with all that I've told you and warned you about know that I heard all of the same things and I, like you most likely will, ignored them flatly and with extreme prejudice. I am NOT telling you what to do or not to do I just wanted to be perfectly clear on what the state of the industry is at the moment. Good luck on whatever you decide. PS You've got the right attitude to make it BTW.;) |
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 1139990)
SIR....
MY APOLOGIES SIR!!:D Edit to include after the 10K RJ capts and the 15K AAL guys, but those guys only get hired after ALL of the retired USMC F-18 talent has dried up! USMCFLYR |
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
(Post 1139950)
Personally if someone were to offer me a free hour in a 737 to do whatever I wanted I would not even walk across the street to do it. Flying big jets never interested me. It was the huge salaries and time off that caught my interest.
If all things were equal I would rather mow lawns. I just don't get it. Big jets are boring and uninteresting. Silver tubes that all look alike. The job is miserable. Nothing fun about it. Guys in the 70's made the big cash because without it no one would do it. I imagine that plumbers, dentists and lawyers hold the same motivators. The reason to fly was for the cash, control and lifestyle. Take that away and might as well stuff mailboxes and sleep in your own bed. Skyhigh In all sincerity, congratulations on your narrow escape. I flew with a few Captains and F/Os who felt the same way that you do, and they were making the "big cash". None of them were happy, even on their days off. Of course, they might have been unhappy in any profession, but that's another issue. |
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