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skyqueen 04-04-2012 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by lifter123 (Post 1164189)
Try looking at some of the specialty pilot jobs that fly smaller equipment. I loathed the idea of going to the airlines, and landed a job with similar times flying pipeline. I make twice what regionals are paying, am home every night, cc for all expenses, and a great work environment.

Downside is that I do not get to fly bigger equipment, but to each his own.

That sounds amazing... And how about to each *their* own... I think I would enjoy flying pipeline , I like flying low.. I really don't know much else about a typically pipeline occupation though..

chrisreedrules 04-05-2012 04:45 AM

My 2 cents... All of the part 91 charter pilots I know (admittedly a few) got there through instructing. Not airlines. It seems if you really want to land a cushy charter gig or even just flying some rich guy around in his own airplane, it helps to instruct for a while (preferably at a busy/reputable school). You tend to meet a lot of people and make good connections. A lot of guys get wrapped up in the life once they reach the airlines. I plan on instructing for about a year or two until I'm fully done with all the school I want and if something hasn't come along by then... I'll consider applying at regionals.

yimke 04-05-2012 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by skyqueen (Post 1163967)
Thank you directto ! Yeah this sic is very loggable it's a legit company and I've had a checkride under part 135.293 I believe it is... Im not worried about that! I still would like your recommendation though I am not an experience forum er!

You can only log SIC, when the flight is operated under IFR rules (135.101) (61.51 (f)). So just file an IFR flight plan everywhere you go part 135. Unless the aircraft requires 2 crew members, which is usually only type rating aircraft.

I think the lawyers wanted to say conducted under IMC, but their typo gives another loophole.

skyqueen 04-05-2012 08:43 AM

We do file IFR where ever we go, but its a scheduled airline, we used to be required to have two pilots. They got a waiver from the FAA to operate single pilot. Anyway from my companies NPH "the company employs pilots and pilot interns who are not ATP qualified with the intention of having these pilots train and accumulate the necessary flight time to become PIC qualified in the future" I am going to ask around to further my knowledge on the topic today at work. Its just a cessna 402 so no type rating is required, i dont know :confused::confused:

i would like to instruct in a busier environment, where more charter opportunities are available.

USMCFLYR 04-05-2012 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by skyqueen (Post 1164443)
We do file IFR where ever we go, but its a scheduled airline, we used to be required to have two pilots. They got a waiver from the FAA to operate single pilot. Anyway from my companies NPH "the company employs pilots and pilot interns who are not ATP qualified with the intention of having these pilots train and accumulate the necessary flight time to become PIC qualified in the future" I am going to ask around to further my knowledge on the topic today at work. Its just a cessna 402 so no type rating is required, i dont know :confused::confused:

i would like to instruct in a busier environment, where more charter opportunities are available.

You need to research very carefully - and this forum is a good resource.
You should search the forums using the keywords logging and SIC time and read a few of the threads concerning the legality of SIC time.
You'll want to get a good handle on this if you plan to break into other professional flying when your logbook will be scrutinized thoroughly in the interview process. That would NOT be the time to find out that you have logged, and banked on, questionable times.

USMCFLYR

skyqueen 04-05-2012 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1164473)
You need to research very carefully - and this forum is a good resource.
You should search the forums using the keywords logging and SIC time and read a few of the threads concerning the legality of SIC time.
You'll want to get a good handle on this if you plan to break into other professional flying when your logbook will be scrutinized thoroughly in the interview process. That would NOT be the time to find out that you have logged, and banked on, questionable times.

USMCFLYR

"I do this on a daily basis in King Airs. As I understand it, an SIC is required under part 135 unless the "autopilot in lieu of second in command" waiver is approved and in the company's ops specs. My company only has this waiver for its Barons, not the King Airs (even though they all were originally certified for one pilot and all have autopilots installed.) I believe the key is in the wording of the waiver. It says something to the effect of "an autopilot may be used in lieu of an SIC." If it said "an autopilot must be used in lieu of an SIC," then it would be a different story. Since the rule gives the operator the option of using the autopilot or not, an SIC can fly the airplane and the autopilot can be operational at the same time. The other caveat to this is that the SIC must have a current 135.293 checkride in the airplane."


I found this on one of the forums threads ... This is how my company does it

USMCFLYR 04-05-2012 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by skyqueen (Post 1164499)
"I do this on a daily basis in King Airs. As I understand it, an SIC is required under part 135 unless the "autopilot in lieu of second in command" waiver is approved and in the company's ops specs. My company only has this waiver for its Barons, not the King Airs (even though they all were originally certified for one pilot and all have autopilots installed.) I believe the key is in the wording of the waiver. It says something to the effect of "an autopilot may be used in lieu of an SIC." If it said "an autopilot must be used in lieu of an SIC," then it would be a different story. Since the rule gives the operator the option of using the autopilot or not, an SIC can fly the airplane and the autopilot can be operational at the same time. The other caveat to this is that the SIC must have a current 135.293 checkride in the airplane."


I found this on one of the forums threads ... This is how my company does it

Sounds like you have your answer.

USMCFLYR

ImperialxRat 04-08-2012 09:42 AM

Ameriflight allows SIC's to sometimes fly along also, and due to the ops specs it is absolutely loggable by the SIC, even though they are not required.

As to the origional topic, my recommendation to you is that if you want to go 135/91, then go that route. Do not go to the regionals because the contacts you meet there will not be able to help you out down the road. I was a 121 regional guy for 3 years, and am now Part 91, and I got really lucky getting a 135 job out of the regionals... there is a stigma between the two, where 135/91 guys think regional guys are lazy pilots and all that hoopla.

Anyway, I regret leaving the 121 world, but not because I am lazy... for schedule reasons :) But really, get an instructing job that will allow you to network, and keep getting some SIC time with that scheduled airline. You'll eventually fall into a 135 gig I think. Good luck!

SiouxPilot89 04-08-2012 11:06 AM

Hey,

You can look into being a SIC at CapeAir. They did not have a lot of SICs but its 400 series Cessna time and a great company to work with. You would have the opportunity to work with great people and also do a lot of fun flying. You would maybe get the opportunity to even do some flights that are not the scheduled passenger flights.

9kBud 04-08-2012 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by SiouxPilot89 (Post 1166054)
Hey,

You can look into being a SIC at CapeAir. They did not have a lot of SICs but its 400 series Cessna time and a great company to work with. You would have the opportunity to work with great people and also do a lot of fun flying. You would maybe get the opportunity to even do some flights that are not the scheduled passenger flights.

Judging by earlier posts, it sounds like she was already an SIC intern.


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