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Old 05-09-2012, 09:13 AM
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I am a new member, but long time lurker on APC and figured this would be the perfect place for some input on a situation I'm in. A company wants to hire me on as a first officer in a citation mustang, but they dont want to pay for a type rating for 6 months until they know I'm a "good fit". In addition to working radios and the G1000 in the citation (non-type rated) I would have most non-flying duties as a chief pilot would. Baically when I'm not flying I will be working a 9-5 at the hanger. This is all part 91 and the pilot that is in the left seat is the owner. What kind of salary would I expect for being non-type rated in the beginning?

My qualifications are 1400hrs in various single engine trainers and about 20hrs multi. I meet 135 requirements.

Any input would help. Thanks!
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Old 05-09-2012, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by SittingOnHands View Post
I am a new member, but long time lurker on APC and figured this would be the perfect place for some input on a situation I'm in. A company wants to hire me on as a first officer in a citation mustang, but they dont want to pay for a type rating for 6 months until they know I'm a "good fit". In addition to working radios and the G1000 in the citation (non-type rated) I would have most non-flying duties as a chief pilot would. Baically when I'm not flying I will be working a 9-5 at the hanger. This is all part 91 and the pilot that is in the left seat is the owner. What kind of salary would I expect for being non-type rated in the beginning?

My qualifications are 1400hrs in various single engine trainers and about 20hrs multi. I meet 135 requirements.

Any input would help. Thanks!
The way I understand it you are just a trainee, and not a required crew member so you are practically a luxury to them. Therefore I would look for any livable wage in that situation, ballpark $30k or whatever it takes to get by in your location. Then in a year when you are "fitting in" and have your SIC type rating, you should expect to see something along the lines of NBAA Mustang starting SIC salary. I do not have that handy but I'll take a guess it is $45k.
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The way I understand it you are just a trainee, and not a required crew member so you are practically a luxury to them. Therefore I would look for any livable wage in that situation, ballpark $30k or whatever it takes to get by in your location. Then in a year when you are "fitting in" and have your SIC type rating, you should expect to see something along the lines of NBAA Mustang starting SIC salary. I do not have that handy but I'll take a guess it is $45k.
Thanks for the input. I was thinking around the same number until I get my type rating. I found salary averages for a chief pilot, but since its single pilot I didnt think they put out a SIC salary for the Mustang.
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U will not be able to log any of this time until you become type rated and are fully qualified to fly PIC 91 on a Turbine aircraft. So youll be a full time passanger basically that cleans the hanger.
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U will not be able to log any of this time until you become type rated and are fully qualified to fly PIC 91 on a Turbine aircraft. So youll be a full time passanger basically that cleans the hanger.

Well aware of this. Sitting for 6 months before getting a Type is not a problem for me.
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How much time does the owner pilot have? Is he going to kill you?
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Old 05-09-2012, 04:46 PM
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He has around 10,000 ours total. type rated in citation ultra and xl, also is type rated in a challenger. He has been flying his entire life, but did not make his living being a professional pilot. The aircraft is fresh off the assembly line and he has about 50 hours in it so far. Small trips, mostly vacation spots.
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Factory-new Citations come with training entitlements that include TWO full Initial/type ratings and one maintenance training position that can be parlayed into a Recurrent or half of an Initial.
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If you can live off whatever salary he pays you to do intern work, DO IT! 6 months is not a long time to get transitioning into a jet with your limited multi experience. As long as when you are typed, and you are paid fairly for your time. I would personally get a contract drawn up to guarantee your pay before and after the type rating.

I would personally start reviewing systems/multi characteristics, especially if it has been a while since your multi checkride.
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Originally Posted by SittingOnHands View Post
He has around 10,000 ours total. type rated in citation ultra and xl, also is type rated in a challenger. He has been flying his entire life, but did not make his living being a professional pilot. The aircraft is fresh off the assembly line and he has about 50 hours in it so far. Small trips, mostly vacation spots.
Seems odd to me that someone with that much experience downgrades then opts to hire a co-pilot for a single pilot type rating. But Im sure you have all the answers and have already given your answer. Prob will work for free or some crap.
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