Are CFI Jobs Becoming a Pyramid Scheme?
03-20-2015, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Since this entire paragraph seems to be about the past, what exemption criteria are you referring too in the sentence bolded above?
03-20-2015, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bedrock
Right now, the best and most capable aren't necessarily the one's becoming airline pilots, it is the one's with the money.
The military is the place to go if you don't have money. Military pilot slots are very competitive, however.
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03-20-2015, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Fluglehrer
I think it will be a problem for new CFIs to find a job in a year or so. New CFIs will need a few years to earn their 1000+ hours, and to earn those hours each CFI will need to train more than five students. Then one of those trained students will replace the CFI. Are there enough other time-building jobs to absorb the other four students? I don't believe so, but I think the cream will rise to the top. Good students who become good CFIs will get the available CFI jobs. Many of them will have John Burke's determination. Many others won't, and will find other paths to success outside of aviation. Such is life.
03-20-2015, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Getting back to the statistics question, you (the OP) came up with some ratios that are indeterminate. Active CFIs/inactive CFIs is an unknown ratio at both sample points. If I say 1/x is to be divided by 1/y, all I have is y/x. If you were trying to normalize out the active CFI/inactive CFI ratio, great idea but that won't do it because the normalization quantity has to be known or at least be the same variable. For example, in aerodynamics we like to normalize things as much as possible to allow apples-to-apples comparisons without extraneous stuff riding along. The most common example is to divide everything by dynamic pressure (q) to get that out of it, because q is q no matter where it turns up.
03-20-2015, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
And that is an exemption?
03-20-2015, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
I assume you know what the words means so I do not know what you are asking me. Were/are you are not aware that airlines use reduced minimums for military pilot applicants? if you are military then you may qualify to be exempt from meeting full (civilian) minimums for the job.
No - - I do not think of the conversion factors as being exemptions.
As such they are exempt from meeting the full (civilian) minimums for the job. For example, 1,000 hours of F-18 flight time might equal 3,000 hours of civilian flight, or something like that
03-20-2015, 11:23 AM
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Ive never understood why people say it takes so much $$$ to become a pilot. I started to fly in 1990 at a 141 school. It took me 6 months and $13000, which included housing. Adjusted for inflation thats around 23K today. That's not too bad.
03-20-2015, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
I am aware that there is now in place a R-ATP; but I also assumed that you were talking about the pass [past?] situations.
... I do not think of the conversion factors as being exemptions.
...And I hope that you know what the actual multiple conversions are that airlines actually use and the purpose for those conversion factors.
03-20-2015, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
That's not the exemption I was talking about, and it was not an exemption until recently. I said only that military aviators get a break on flight time. Maybe you are reading something into it that is not there.
If they act that way, then why not? I still do not get what you really talking about here. If you are military you are exempt from meeting the full minimums for the job. You're not just arguing some semantic point are you? Would you call it something else? Is exempt a word that you really dislike? Propose another and I'll use that word instead. There's nothing wrong with that.
Oh ok so you do know about them. I am not military so I do not keep track of that info. I would guess something like 2:1, not sure. And I definitely do not know what you are talking about if not that. Feel free to explain.
If they act that way, then why not? I still do not get what you really talking about here. If you are military you are exempt from meeting the full minimums for the job. You're not just arguing some semantic point are you? Would you call it something else? Is exempt a word that you really dislike? Propose another and I'll use that word instead. There's nothing wrong with that.
Oh ok so you do know about them. I am not military so I do not keep track of that info. I would guess something like 2:1, not sure. And I definitely do not know what you are talking about if not that. Feel free to explain.
Yes - I even looked at the definition of exempt and did not see how it worked in with how you were trying to use it.
It is your word - if you are good with it - no problem.
You do not understand the military conversion factor if you think it is something on the order of 2:1. This makes me doubt you understand the purpose of the military conversion factor; but that is a matter that has been hashed out in numerus threads before.
I'll not contribute any more to the thread drift.
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