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Old 12-17-2010, 06:51 AM
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I am another low time guy looking for some opportunities to build time. I am 168TT Commercial Multi - Instrument. I have an initial CFI checkride on Dec. 21.

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how do you have a commercial with less than 190hrs?
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Originally Posted by dlb4a View Post
I am another low time guy looking for some opportunities to build time. I am 168TT Commercial Multi - Instrument. I have an initial CFI checkride on Dec. 21.

Help would be greatly appreciated.
Are you missing a number(s) in your post above?
That seems like an impossibly low time to have completed all the training required.

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For FAR Part 61 it is 250 hours minimum for a commercial ticket, for Part 141 it is less depending on the particular curriculum, but 190 hours is the hard minimum so 168 is a little short. CFI forget it, not going to happen with those hours. Most people have 350. I guess if you finished like a hero at 190 hours on the commercial, then went right to the CFI test in minimum time you could take it with as little as 205 hours. I'll have to check to be sure but CFI only requires ten hours or so of dual instruction. There may another time requirement like cross country or something, I'll have to check.
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Middle Tenn State.... now accepting refugees from Embry Riddle.

168TT, comm multi, and CFI ride next? You do your entire program in a sim or something? You're just competitive enough to keep paying for flight time.
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For FAR Part 61 it is 250 hours minimum for a commercial ticket, for Part 141 it is less depending on the particular curriculum, but 190 hours is the hard minimum so 168 is a little short. CFI forget it, not going to happen with those hours. Most people have 350. I guess if you finished like a hero at 190 hours on the commercial, then went right to the CFI test in minimum time you could take it with as little as 205 hours. I'll have to check to be sure but CFI only requires ten hours or so of dual instruction. There may another time requirement like cross country or something, I'll have to check.
Plus I'm supposing that you would have to add some time in there for the multi-engine rating, unless done as part of the commerical right?

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IIRC, you could get a commerical ticket at ERAU with 140 TT and then 50 or so in the sim. Crazy when you really sit down and think about it.
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Plus I'm supposing that you would have to add some time in there for the multi-engine rating, unless done as part of the commerical right? USMCFLYR
Yeah that's right. Some people do their commercials in a multi and skip the ASEL, but they forfeit the chance to get an easy ASEL which they will most likely have to add later. Skipping the ASEL commercial is not a good idea.

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IIRC, you could get a commerical ticket at ERAU with 140 TT and then 50 or so in the sim. Crazy when you really sit down and think about it.
That is scary, I have never heard of times that low. A few years ago there were some regional FOs being made with only 250 hours plus a few more in a level D sim. Even that is more flight time! Pilots like that are not ready for anything besides predictable flying. Turn the airplane on its side or break something, and suddenly they are not pilots at all.
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Here is the breakdown from my resume.

Total………………………...168
Diamond Star 20…………..1.0 (spin training for CFI)
Pilot in Command…….…67
Diamond Star 40……….121.8
Single Engine…………….154.8
Piper Arrow 28R…………..26.8
Piper Seminole 44………..13.2
Multi Engine……………….13.2


(logbook has 33.8 sim hours)

At Middle Tennessee State University the flight school's training is predominately all proficiency based. If one can get into the aircraft and show that they can handle the regs's requirements then they can advanced; however we do have an intensive syllabus which includes: Private Pilot Cert, Instru Rating, Comm. Cert, Multi, CFI, CFII, MEI, High Performance, and Tail Wheel.

I may not have a load of experience flying airplanes but I am certain I can handle a greater difficultly level of flying than you gentlemen give me credit for. My initial CFI checkride is Dec. 21, 2010 (next Tuesday).

Again, If anyone has helpful or considerate information to pass along, I would greatly appreciate it.

http://www.mtsu.edu/aerospace (For those who need HARD facts.)
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Middle Tenn State.... now accepting refugees from Embry Riddle.

168TT, comm multi, and CFI ride next? You do your entire program in a sim or something? You're just competitive enough to keep paying for flight time.

http://www.mtsu.edu/aerospace/forms/..._-_2010-05.pdf


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If you get a chance, flip through the first few pages and glance over page 7 flight labs and their associated cost.

For me it was a smarter financial decision than going to riddle.

MTSU 70K for Private through CFI
MTSU 90K for Private through MEI

I have a friend who rent to ER, awesome guy. He spent in excess of 170K at riddle and he hadnt even started his senior year at the time, but he did have a CFI but no CFII or MEI. Numbers speak for themselves.

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