JohnBurke

My previous language was intentional; I didn't edit it; the web site software does that. It was meant to be direct, and is without apology.

Contracts should be unnecessary. Some of us do business with a handshake and have the honor to uphold it. Those who lack honor and integrity require contracts. It's the reason that many companies, including airlines, went to training contracts; sniveling curtain-climbing children who took what they wanted and left employers high and dry. It's the reason that many employers expect at least six months service for a recurrent, twelve months for full training, and may require more. Some operators out there have two and three year commitments.

I would not work for such companies, nor would I sign such contracts. However, were I to agree to a period of time, I would abide it because I gave my word, and that is enough.

Those who enter into contracts to get what they want, then bail the moment they get it, should have no gripe with the ensuing legal action. Pick up one end of the stick, pick up the other.

If one has no ability to honor one's own word, let alone a signed contract, then one deserves neither quarter nor sympathy.

ssyc

**** cut the integrity crap. You of all people have none on this forum. You have blatantly lied on here about your employment with SDAZ and when called out about "not being employed by Skydive Arizona" you ignore the explanation that you were paid by the owners of that company for your piloting and maintenance services. Your egotistical, dramatic, and rude responses are pathetic. You have a severe chip on your shoulder for young pilots and your obvious disdain for younger guys is borderline obsessive. Its weird. Find a new hobby, or better yet get back to work flying boxes.

MaxMar

As a change of topic, thought the folks in this thread would appreciate my ride. This is my last weekend flying jumpers before I head east to fly my favorite airplane, the Pilatus PC-12. I've been at this DZ for 2 and half years and on this airplane for just over a year. Best days of my life, for sure. Now I get to take all my Turbine PIC hours and fresh-off-the-press university diploma and make a real living.

urp99

Nice, congratulations! Are they looking for a replacement for you!? I've been flying Skydivers for a little over a year now, and I love it. I don't have any desire to do the kind of flying that would be referred to as 'make a real loving', lol, I've always been in love with GA and small airplanes. 😁

wmlocante

PT6 Flyer

Mr. "Burke" doesn't seem to realize that every time he says one of these terrible things, he is scaring away potential pilot-employees from working at Skydive Arizona. You would also think the owners of Skydive Arizona would step in and do something, but they are not, also scaring away potential pilot-employees.

JohnBurke

I don't recruit for skydive az, nor do I work for them. I'm not here to promote them, and I've nothing against them. My comments regard only the truth, and began when a poster emerged from the ethos with scarcely a post to his name to post an agenda made up of lies.

These "terrible things" included quoting the same posters, just a year before, prattling on about what a wonderful place it was to work, with wonderful opportunities and people with whom to work. Again, not my words: theirs.

Further, I took the time after reading some of those comments to verify them at the source before I responded, and to make a determination regarding the information, for accuracy. The information posted by some here was not accurate, hence my responses.

The "terrible comments" are specific to those who failed to honor their obligations. They do not apply to anyone who were to hire on there (or anywhere else) and who might keep their obligations. Most do; this is true of airlines, corporate departments, 135 operations, etc; those who agree by pen or by handshake to commit to an employer should honor it; failure to do so damages their own reputation, work history, and quite possibly, financial or legal standing as well.

It's no concern of mine whom Skydive AZ (et al) elects to sue or not sue, nor am I aware of who they have sued or not sued, nor do I care. I don't care about the ages of those involved, or the backgrounds or the personal lives or concerns. If these individuals elected to take on an obligation, knowing the term of that obligation, and yet failed to do so, then they've no grounds for sorrow, quarter, or sympathy.

Those who undertake these jobs, without a work history or experience, who are babes in training, who are without a leg upon which to stand, and who spout off about how things should be...really don't know. College isn't a substitute for life or work experience. Obtaining basic pilot certification isn't a substitute either. To show such blatant dishonor and lack of character as to walk out on obligations, to enter into an agreement and yet make demands of an employer to change the agreement, to attempt to dictate how the owner of a company should spend his or her money, or how a supervisor should divide his or her time or how much flying a chief pilot should do, shows chutzpah, arrogance, ignorance, lack of experience, and very clearly a lack of maturity and understanding.

Skydive AZ is the largest, and busiest drop zone in the world, with the largest jump aircraft fleet, and stays busy around the clock. It has a steady clientele of military and civilian jumpers. It's not an airline operation. It is not the military. I've been jumping around the world for close to 30 years. Own my own parachute rigs and have since high school. I've jumped and flown at a number of different drop zones, large to small, and out of most aircraft used to drop jumpers. I've seen a lot of different kinds of jump operations, and have been associated with fun jumping, military jumping, fire jumping, and rescue parachute operations on land and sea, as well as other. I've jumped, flown, packed for, and worked on aircraft for large DZ's and small one-man operations in rural and remote locations.

It's possible that having a bit more exposure than some, having been there and done that, seen that, experienced that, allows a bit more insight. Perhaps not; certainly more, however, than those with one job to their name and one or two posts to their name, whose only purpose in posting here is to enter with vitriol and lies, flouting their own low character and dishonesty, and to what end? Just what is it that you hope to accomplish? What's your goal here?

dera

Congrats on the new spot, you'll have a great time here!

PT6 Flyer

I see Skydive Arizona is now advertising for pilots.



https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=pilot&...c146129a2caf55


I hope everyone reads this thread before applying.

skippy8771

I live in the PHX area and was really considering skydive AZ as an alternative to the CFI route. After realizing that I would have to move to Eloy for an 18 month(!!!!) contract, decided it was no longer worth it. This thread reconfirmed my decision as well. QOL as a CFI will be much better in the Scottsdale area. Once hours start getting closer to 750-1000TT, I will start looking for 91/135 opportunities to get the CRM/Multi/Turbine experience.

I understand the need for the 18 month contract to help with the turnover rate. But its not practicable around this area with most pilots falling under the R-ATP. To require 500TT (750TT preferred) and require an 18 month contract, just does not seem reasonable.

Just my .02 cents, at a lowly 290TT