Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
11-26-2018, 04:46 AM
#2981
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Originally Posted by surfcc11
Any idea why the October and November classes are mixed together? Looks like some guys in November have a higher seniority number than October hires.
11-26-2018, 01:48 PM
#2983
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Originally Posted by skytrails
Any idea what level seniority?
1992 - 1
1994 - 1
2008 - 3
2011 - 5
2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5
The five from 2018 were all showing 'TRN' as their base a month ago.
11-26-2018, 03:36 PM
#2984
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Originally Posted by AANG
Pilots, by year of hire, that fell off the seniority list in the last month:
1992 - 1
1994 - 1
2008 - 3
2011 - 5
2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5
The five from 2018 were all showing 'TRN' as their base a month ago.
1992 - 1
1994 - 1
2008 - 3
2011 - 5
2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5
The five from 2018 were all showing 'TRN' as their base a month ago.
11-26-2018, 04:41 PM
#2985
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Originally Posted by havick206
Is that basically all flows or people that bailed in the last 18 months or so?
- All the 2008 and 2011 DOHs that fell off this month, left via the flow.
- All of the 2018 DOHs were, presumably, in training. I'd guess the attrition is a combination of failures and people leaving for different jobs.
11-26-2018, 05:09 PM
#2986
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Originally Posted by AANG
These are just pilots that have fallen off the list in the last month.
- All the 2008 and 2011 DOHs that fell off this month, left via the flow.
- All of the 2018 DOHs were, presumably, in training. I'd guess the attrition is a combination of failures and people leaving for different jobs.
Fairly similar ratios here at envoy.
11-27-2018, 02:01 AM
#2987
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Originally Posted by havick206
That’s what I figured by looking at those numbers. Basically a tiny trickle leaving outside of the flow (not taking into account training failures or those getting jack if waiting).
Fairly similar ratios here at envoy.
Fairly similar ratios here at envoy.
11-27-2018, 04:30 AM
#2988
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
So what leverage do the WOs have? The flow seems to be working exactly how they want it to. Pilots are staying despite sub-industry standard compensation and classes are mostly full.
If all 9 (6 flows plus 3 outside attrition) of those were line captains, that would 4% of the line qualified captains on property, leaving per month (PDT had 207 in November). DECs are only coming onboard at 2 per month.
Many of the folks leaving have been instructors so that creates a different problem.
The numbers shift some after the 2019 system bid goes into effect, and more Dash transition Captains and DECs finish training but if attrition continues at the current rate, Piedmont is on track lose approximately 20% of its captain and instructor cadre in 2019. In 2020 it seems that percentage will drop off some as 1/5 of the flow through pilots are tracking to be FO lifers.
Last edited by Otterbox; 11-27-2018 at 04:40 AM.
11-27-2018, 08:30 AM
#2989
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Piedmont is smaller so a loss of an extra 3 a month is a 50% increase in attrition outside of the flow.
If all 9 (6 flows plus 3 outside attrition) of those were line captains, that would 4% of the line qualified captains on property, leaving per month (PDT had 207 in November). DECs are only coming onboard at 2 per month.
Many of the folks leaving have been instructors so that creates a different problem.
The numbers shift some after the 2019 system bid goes into effect, and more Dash transition Captains and DECs finish training but if attrition continues at the current rate, Piedmont is on track lose approximately 20% of its captain and instructor cadre in 2019. In 2020 it seems that percentage will drop off some as 1/5 of the flow through pilots are tracking to be FO lifers.
If all 9 (6 flows plus 3 outside attrition) of those were line captains, that would 4% of the line qualified captains on property, leaving per month (PDT had 207 in November). DECs are only coming onboard at 2 per month.
Many of the folks leaving have been instructors so that creates a different problem.
The numbers shift some after the 2019 system bid goes into effect, and more Dash transition Captains and DECs finish training but if attrition continues at the current rate, Piedmont is on track lose approximately 20% of its captain and instructor cadre in 2019. In 2020 it seems that percentage will drop off some as 1/5 of the flow through pilots are tracking to be FO lifers.
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