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Old 11-26-2018, 04:46 AM   #2981  
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Any idea why the October and November classes are mixed together? Looks like some guys in November have a higher seniority number than October hires.
They went back and corrected the seniority list mid month. Lost 5 folks between the beginning of the month list and mid month update.
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They went back and corrected the seniority list mid month. Lost 5 folks between the beginning of the month list and mid month update.
Any idea what level seniority?
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Old 11-26-2018, 01:48 PM   #2983  
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Any idea what level seniority?
Pilots, by year of hire, that fell off the seniority list in the last month:

1992 - 1
1994 - 1
2008 - 3
2011 - 5
2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5

The five from 2018 were all showing 'TRN' as their base a month ago.
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Old 11-26-2018, 03:36 PM   #2984  
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Pilots, by year of hire, that fell off the seniority list in the last month:

1992 - 1
1994 - 1
2008 - 3
2011 - 5
2015 - 1
2016 - 1
2017 - 1
2018 - 5

The five from 2018 were all showing 'TRN' as their base a month ago.
Is that basically all flows or people that bailed in the last 18 months or so?
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Old 11-26-2018, 04:41 PM   #2985  
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Is that basically all flows or people that bailed in the last 18 months or so?
These are just pilots that have fallen off the list in the last month.
  • All the 2008 and 2011 DOHs that fell off this month, left via the flow.
  • All of the 2018 DOHs were, presumably, in training. I'd guess the attrition is a combination of failures and people leaving for different jobs.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:09 PM   #2986  
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These are just pilots that have fallen off the list in the last month.
  • All the 2008 and 2011 DOHs that fell off this month, left via the flow.
  • All of the 2018 DOHs were, presumably, in training. I'd guess the attrition is a combination of failures and people leaving for different jobs.
That’s what I figured by looking at those numbers. Basically a tiny trickle leaving outside of the flow (not taking into account training failures or those getting jack if waiting).

Fairly similar ratios here at envoy.
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Old 11-27-2018, 02:01 AM   #2987  
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That’s what I figured by looking at those numbers. Basically a tiny trickle leaving outside of the flow (not taking into account training failures or those getting jack if waiting).

Fairly similar ratios here at envoy.
So what leverage do the WOs have? The flow seems to be working exactly how they want it to. Pilots are staying despite sub-industry standard compensation and classes are mostly full.
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So what leverage do the WOs have? The flow seems to be working exactly how they want it to. Pilots are staying despite sub-industry standard compensation and classes are mostly full.
Piedmont is smaller so a loss of an extra 3 a month is a 50% increase in attrition outside of the flow.

If all 9 (6 flows plus 3 outside attrition) of those were line captains, that would 4% of the line qualified captains on property, leaving per month (PDT had 207 in November). DECs are only coming onboard at 2 per month.

Many of the folks leaving have been instructors so that creates a different problem.

The numbers shift some after the 2019 system bid goes into effect, and more Dash transition Captains and DECs finish training but if attrition continues at the current rate, Piedmont is on track lose approximately 20% of its captain and instructor cadre in 2019. In 2020 it seems that percentage will drop off some as 1/5 of the flow through pilots are tracking to be FO lifers.

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Piedmont is smaller so a loss of an extra 3 a month is a 50% increase in attrition outside of the flow.

If all 9 (6 flows plus 3 outside attrition) of those were line captains, that would 4% of the line qualified captains on property, leaving per month (PDT had 207 in November). DECs are only coming onboard at 2 per month.

Many of the folks leaving have been instructors so that creates a different problem.

The numbers shift some after the 2019 system bid goes into effect, and more Dash transition Captains and DECs finish training but if attrition continues at the current rate, Piedmont is on track lose approximately 20% of its captain and instructor cadre in 2019. In 2020 it seems that percentage will drop off some as 1/5 of the flow through pilots are tracking to be FO lifers.
Just to give everyone a heads up. About 2 weeks ago we got an email from our union leadership at PSA about some stuff that’s in the works. Most of it not very exciting except for a new app that will help with scheduling, but there’s one thing you Piedmont FO lifers might be interested in... It’s going to be a requirement to be an active Captain for 2 years before being eligible to flow. The email makes it sound like that was our punishment for people “liking” a stupid Facebook post that encouraged a “job action”. But I had heard rumors of something like this for at least a year or so. I think the “job action” was a cover. It was probably coming down the pipe anyway. Just a heads up.
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What 2019 bid system are you referring to?
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