Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
02-06-2019, 03:34 PM
#3222
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Posts: 206
Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
If the flow increases there will be some restrictions put in place.
Captain, 2 years, no medical leave or military leave in an x period before flow, in good standing and no checkride failures.
Captain, 2 years, no medical leave or military leave in an x period before flow, in good standing and no checkride failures.
They can only put whatever restrictions they agree upon on the pilots affected after it is signed.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
02-06-2019, 03:57 PM
#3223
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,729
Originally Posted by Flyinguy
They can only put whatever restrictions they agree upon on the pilots affected after it is signed.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
Some that have been in 4.99 years medical leave are getting a ride awakening as they come back to work.
02-06-2019, 07:40 PM
#3224
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by Flyinguy
They can only put whatever restrictions they agree upon on the pilots affected after it is signed.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
This is not how it is at the other two WO, so why would it be that way here? If they require you to be a CA before you flow, that's that. DOH doesn't mean anything. You could be an FO slated to flow next month, and poof. No flow for you, one year!
02-06-2019, 07:41 PM
#3225
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 761
Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
If the flow increases there will be some restrictions put in place.
Captain, 2 years, no medical leave or military leave in an x period before flow, in good standing and no checkride failures.
Captain, 2 years, no medical leave or military leave in an x period before flow, in good standing and no checkride failures.
02-07-2019, 02:11 AM
#3226
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Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 564
Originally Posted by MantisToboggan
Lol. I know they violate the contract like it's nothing but I think federal law is a different story
The flow is defined contractually as a job opportunity. I believe that the word 'opportunity' was carefully chosen.
As long as someone has the similar job and salary when they return from a leave this complies with federal laws. The whole legal argument is a job opportunity at a different company violates laws if you don't flow after returning from leave. Also when you go to a new company you're starting at the bottom as an FO, so I'm sure non aviation people would be convinced it's not a promotion but merely a choice to change employers.
02-07-2019, 07:35 AM
#3227
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,273
Originally Posted by Flyinguy
They can only put whatever restrictions they agree upon on the pilots affected after it is signed.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
The pilots prior to that date would be grandfathered in, who are under the current LOA.
“Is an active and fully qualified pilot on the Piedmont Pilot Seniority List at the time he/she
is notified of his/her selection to a New Pilot Position and the date he/she is released to
his/her new hire class at AA.
iv. Is not the subject of any active disciplinary charges.
v. Has been in his/her current position at Piedmont for a minimum of twelve (12) months at
the time of his/her selection for a New Pilot Position”
The crux being, if the flow increased, that would help those grandfathered in on the old LOA. So active pilots now could negotiate a max flow increase, with insane difficult requirements (moon landing ect.) and would only benefit themselves and screw over those who are already screwed with a 10+ year flow.
Or quit screwing over those behind you, apply outside the flow, wait for your turn as is. If/when recruiting slows to a crawl, the company will have to increase flow or pay or something to get new recruits, without a concession.
02-07-2019, 07:42 AM
#3228
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 120
Originally Posted by OpMidClimax
That would be an interesting challenge to the courts and above my pay grade. The rumblings I've heard have been an active pilot, captain, for x period of time before flow.
The flow is defined contractually as a job opportunity. I believe that the word 'opportunity' was carefully chosen.
As long as someone has the similar job and salary when they return from a leave this complies with federal laws. The whole legal argument is a job opportunity at a different company violates laws if you don't flow after returning from leave. Also when you go to a new company you're starting at the bottom as an FO, so I'm sure non aviation people would be convinced it's not a promotion but merely a choice to change employers.
The flow is defined contractually as a job opportunity. I believe that the word 'opportunity' was carefully chosen.
As long as someone has the similar job and salary when they return from a leave this complies with federal laws. The whole legal argument is a job opportunity at a different company violates laws if you don't flow after returning from leave. Also when you go to a new company you're starting at the bottom as an FO, so I'm sure non aviation people would be convinced it's not a promotion but merely a choice to change employers.
02-07-2019, 11:22 AM
#3230
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 264
Originally Posted by Brokeasspot
Did something change on our flow and I missed it or is this just the normal nobody has any idea what they are talking about stuff?!
Normal. This flow stuff is a total pilot rumor. No one is doing anything to better our QOL or shorten our stay here. Same as it always was
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