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Old 03-22-2019, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix21 View Post
The merger wheels have been turning for several years. The speed at which they turn related to how the outlook for each pilot group is at any given time. Piedmont is in rough shape currently.

Envoy’s union proposed that in the SLI something like the top 300 people be Envoy, then the top 50 Piedmont then five Envoy pilots above every one Piedmont pilot down the list with some increased flow number pulling from the integrated list in seniority order.

Piedmont’s union proposed Date of Hire.

It’s likely that the SLI won’t be straight date of hire due to the turmoil it will cause amongst the top Envoy pilots.

A 725-775 member increase to the Envoy pilot group should increase the flow by 5-6 per month, bringing the total to 27-30 (based on the Envoy projected numbers) of which Piedmont will make up 1/6... thus decreasing Piedmont pilots relative flow to 4 or 5 per month. Probably looking at a three to six year increase in flow for Piedmont pilots with an Envoy proposed SLI if it comes to fruition.
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:49 AM
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:04 AM
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piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.

Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.

AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
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Old 03-22-2019, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by skytrails View Post
piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.

Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.

AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
They would’ve done it long ago....
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by skytrails View Post
piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.

Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.

AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
lets see what april and may bring before we start saying we're unable to staff.
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by flysooner9 View Post
You guys should add up the 10 year earning potential at frontier vs AA. Might open your eyes
One never knows if Frontier will end up being merged/acquired. A senior Frontier pilot could end up slotted high up in a legacy list.

Seeing the trouble with the 737 Max, somebody might bypass the flow at Airbus and snap up an airline with a lot of Airbus metal. It's that easy.
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Old 03-22-2019, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTFlyer View Post
They would’ve done it long ago....
I think the mindset has shifted from whipsaw, now staff later, to staff now, whipsaw later.
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Old 03-22-2019, 07:20 AM
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In my humble opinion, the bean counters have a number. Obviously piedmont flight ops is costing AAG a fortune for 50 seat lift. Having 3 separate pilot groups to whipsaw is very attractive when the market will change again. And it will. Having 3 separate wo pilot groups, the lowest paid in the industry now, to pit flying against the other fee for departure companies is a huge asset. As the pilot pipe line has ramped and the economy slows in a few years, there will be a glut of entry level pilots again. Will 500 to 1000 hours multi be the norm before an interview? Im not smart enough for that. Variables include, pilot retirements, contraction, bankruptcies, fuel costs, political instabilities, terrorism/war.

Rest assured, at least I hope, american has some smart finance people that have several models and simulations already performed to predict and demonstrate the future, along with piedmont, psa and envoy.

Than again a bad lunch meeting in dfw fueled with scotch could change our destiny in a second.

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Old 03-22-2019, 08:37 AM
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I’ve only done a quick review of the last 8 pages or so... what’s going on with piedmont? Can someone post a quick summary?

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Old 03-22-2019, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by da42pilot View Post
I’ve only done a quick review of the last 8 pages or so... what’s going on with piedmont? Can someone post a quick summary?

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