Piedmont Airlines News & Rumors
#3591
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 634
The merger wheels have been turning for several years. The speed at which they turn related to how the outlook for each pilot group is at any given time. Piedmont is in rough shape currently.
Envoy’s union proposed that in the SLI something like the top 300 people be Envoy, then the top 50 Piedmont then five Envoy pilots above every one Piedmont pilot down the list with some increased flow number pulling from the integrated list in seniority order.
Piedmont’s union proposed Date of Hire.
It’s likely that the SLI won’t be straight date of hire due to the turmoil it will cause amongst the top Envoy pilots.
A 725-775 member increase to the Envoy pilot group should increase the flow by 5-6 per month, bringing the total to 27-30 (based on the Envoy projected numbers) of which Piedmont will make up 1/6... thus decreasing Piedmont pilots relative flow to 4 or 5 per month. Probably looking at a three to six year increase in flow for Piedmont pilots with an Envoy proposed SLI if it comes to fruition.
Envoy’s union proposed that in the SLI something like the top 300 people be Envoy, then the top 50 Piedmont then five Envoy pilots above every one Piedmont pilot down the list with some increased flow number pulling from the integrated list in seniority order.
Piedmont’s union proposed Date of Hire.
It’s likely that the SLI won’t be straight date of hire due to the turmoil it will cause amongst the top Envoy pilots.
A 725-775 member increase to the Envoy pilot group should increase the flow by 5-6 per month, bringing the total to 27-30 (based on the Envoy projected numbers) of which Piedmont will make up 1/6... thus decreasing Piedmont pilots relative flow to 4 or 5 per month. Probably looking at a three to six year increase in flow for Piedmont pilots with an Envoy proposed SLI if it comes to fruition.
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#3593
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 226
piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
#3594
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2016
Posts: 616
piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
#3595
piedmont can’t attract new hires to staff the operation moving forward. Envoy is still attracting plenty of new hires with a deep cadet program. Also easier to recruit when you can show shiny pictures of 175’s.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
Also Envoy has way better training capacity and programs including qualified upgrade training vs a full initial course.
AAG knows the quickest fix to piedmont’s staffing issues are to merge them into Envoy.
#3596
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 61
Seeing the trouble with the 737 Max, somebody might bypass the flow at Airbus and snap up an airline with a lot of Airbus metal. It's that easy.
#3598
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2018
Posts: 564
In my humble opinion, the bean counters have a number. Obviously piedmont flight ops is costing AAG a fortune for 50 seat lift. Having 3 separate pilot groups to whipsaw is very attractive when the market will change again. And it will. Having 3 separate wo pilot groups, the lowest paid in the industry now, to pit flying against the other fee for departure companies is a huge asset. As the pilot pipe line has ramped and the economy slows in a few years, there will be a glut of entry level pilots again. Will 500 to 1000 hours multi be the norm before an interview? Im not smart enough for that. Variables include, pilot retirements, contraction, bankruptcies, fuel costs, political instabilities, terrorism/war.
Rest assured, at least I hope, american has some smart finance people that have several models and simulations already performed to predict and demonstrate the future, along with piedmont, psa and envoy.
Than again a bad lunch meeting in dfw fueled with scotch could change our destiny in a second.
April through December is going to crazy here... I'm prepared for the worst and hoping for the best... I got my go bag and sack of cash under the bed ready to gtfo at a moments notice.
Rest assured, at least I hope, american has some smart finance people that have several models and simulations already performed to predict and demonstrate the future, along with piedmont, psa and envoy.
Than again a bad lunch meeting in dfw fueled with scotch could change our destiny in a second.
April through December is going to crazy here... I'm prepared for the worst and hoping for the best... I got my go bag and sack of cash under the bed ready to gtfo at a moments notice.
#3600
PDT sucks. F9 sucks less. F9 opened a PHL base. PDT pilots don't suck, so many quickly realized they'll make more career money switching to F9 now than waiting five to ten years to flow to AA.
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