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Old 10-11-2018, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 67Creek View Post
Those seniority numbers are old. You'd have to add them all together to figure out what the current sequences are.
Yeah tried to figure it out. It’s weird cause the 2 DEC’s from this weeks class are on the permanent bid but none of the FO’s from the last two classes.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:54 AM
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So I’m getting the vibe that they are deliberately delaying the update to the seniority list. I’m curious to see what the exact numbers are when they finally do...
Updated list is out.

16 new hires for a overall gain of -1.

PDT now appears to be shrinking after the failed TA.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:04 PM
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Updated list is out.

16 new hires for a overall gain of -1.

PDT now appears to be shrinking after the failed TA.
Wow, we are shrinking. That’s insane to me.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:13 PM
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Wow, we are shrinking. That’s insane to me.
Wow, just wow. Hopefully this is a wake up call to the company that they will need to improve things for the pilot group or PDT will not survive.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieFoxtrot View Post
Wow, just wow. Hopefully this is a wake up call to the company that they will need to improve things for the pilot group or PDT will not survive.
I don’t think they care. I think they want 600 pilots and 60 airplanes. It just sucks we’re going to lose our 6th flowee
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:52 PM
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I don’t think they care. I think they want 600 pilots and 60 airplanes. It just sucks we’re going to lose our 6th flowee
huh? thats not how it works.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox View Post
Updated list is out.

16 new hires for a overall gain of -1.

PDT now appears to be shrinking after the failed TA.
Some points-of-information.
  • One of the new hires that was in the 10/8 Indoc was on the list from last month, so only 15 new hires.
  • We had six flow, and ten leave outside of the flow. Of those ten, all were 2017 or 2018 hires except for one. (That one went to AAL outside the flow.)
  • It's negligible of course, but from a whole-list perspective, the top 50 pilots lost relative seniority

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Old 10-11-2018, 01:02 PM
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I don’t think they care. I think they want 600 pilots and 60 airplanes. It just sucks we’re going to lose our 6th flowee
The numbers require 600 line pilots.. please remember our seniority list includes management, instructors, tech ops, and pilots on leave and militarily leave as atl as the 18 to 24 stil on the list that have flown to american...

For the airline to to run 60 planes they need 800 pilots on property. This was a well known discussed number last year when they announced the continued growth.

Remember the announcement that they can slow hiring is a tactic to get us and the union to accept anything..

The slowing in hiring is completely due to lack of pilots coming..
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:02 PM
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huh? thats not how it works.
Quote me the language in the contract where it says we can’t go back down to 5. Just because you don’t like the idea of something doesn’t make it untrue.

The company and the union aren’t negotiating anything so there’s no propaganda for the union to “accept”
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Old 10-11-2018, 05:57 PM
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Must have been a lot of people waiting on systems that left. I only moved up 11 spots as a June hire.
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