MD-11Loader

Envoy gives a seat sub as well for the QLOE, usually another sim instructor.

havick206

When does the vote for your TA close?

MKUltra

30th of august

Chunk

As an outsider, I encourage you to vote NO. There is no reason to give concessions in this environment. NONE!

snackysmores

well?

filler

67Creek

Pilot group voted 'no' on it.

MD-11Loader

Good. Just know that your fellow wholly owned minions at MQ are behind you. We can work together to get a better deal for everyone (as long as everyone is on board and nobody takes concessions).

SS Minnow

When I was with Envoy “Back in the day”, we told Jerry to stick his concessions up his glASS. We refused concessions, told him to go ahead and shut us down, and over the course of the following year we lost 1000 pilots! We shrunk from 3000 to 2000. Unfortunately, AA’s regional flying was promised to another wholly-owned on the verge of going under and that company was now promising quick upgrades and our FO’s took the bait. By the end of the year, the problem Envoy had created for AA had been solved by farming out regional flying to many regionals thus setting up the version of whip-sawing witnessed by you today.

ALPA National was split between representing AA’s regional airplanes not only to Envoy but also to other ALPA regionals. So who do THEY represent??

Everyone is hiring. No one needs flow-through and no one needs a job at a carrier that flies for AA. Make it known to anyone looking for a pilot job.

And for that matter, no one needs to fly for a mAAjor airline that is run by someone who spends his life trying to devalue his employees. There’s other major airlines out there...
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Part II (sorry...)

Get together with ALPA National and other regionals and try to come up with a global regional plan, after all costs are costs and if they’re all the same for everyone, what does it matter.

If you don’t here’s what you can expect...

- Bullet points
- Vote
- More bullet points
- More votes
- Agreement in principle
- Final language
- Final language doesn’t really add up to what union road show guy has been saying but Union guy is excited about final language
- Final language to you still seems vague and inconsistent from one paragraph to the next
- Union talks about how they were up ‘till two in the morning working out the details. “Yea, it ain’t perfect but Oh! this is sooo good..what a deal! Gotta pass dis here sum-biotch”
- Vote
- Pass
- Pilots complain company not honoring new contract
- Union guy says ”gooooly, that there sum-biotch (vp in charge of whatever) sat right there across the table from me and he looked me straight in the eye- this ‘un righ ‘cheer”
as he points to his dominate eye
“an he promised...” .
- You realize yer fushckrewed
- Same ‘ole shtuff...welcome to the Airlines, jr!

havick206

So any feedback for you guys as to what to expect next going forward?

Otterbox

The pilot group went into the vote knowing that a NO vote would not bring a restart to negotiations. It was a take it or leave it deal.

Expect an uptick in attrition as reality sets in for the folks who stuck around to in the hopes for pay and QOL improvements from this TA and they decide to leave.