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havick206 10-26-2018 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by rabbo (Post 2698093)
I was contacted yesterday as well. Sorta forgot about it as an option. As I understand it from refreshing my information today, training times are long at PDT but coming down. Pilots are crediting 75ish hours a month. I haven't seen much on reserve - is it short at PHL?

As far as RTPs go, Piedmont sounds pretty decent and I could drive to work from the Baltimore area. Sounds like, since most people dislike their jobs on APC, being able to drive to work is +++. I am not expecting the flows to bear fruit but I guess it's a "nice to have".

Commutair might be a better option for you living in Baltimore.

flysooner9 10-26-2018 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by flybywp (Post 2698361)
So why are you still here?

Because they gave me 45k up front and captain pay from day 1 and I’ll liekly fly more here on rsv then other airlines.

skytrails 10-26-2018 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by 67Creek (Post 2698300)
That serves my point precisely. Even a cursory understanding of how airlines and the seniority system works is enough to conclude that your argument is weak. I could explain it to a non-pilot, and they'd be able to point out that the longer someone is with an airline, the less beneficial it becomes to change to another one.

Why you fail to grasp the concept, as someone that claims to have already been an airline pilot, is somewhat baffling. I guess we can just chalk it up to cognitive bias.

So why don’t you leave? One year seniority is easy to give up. Then you can go to one of those awesome regionals that pay you 100k and have 18 days off.

67Creek 10-26-2018 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by skytrails (Post 2698388)
One year seniority is easy to give up.

That depends on the composition of the pilot pool. For example, 28% of the pilots at Piedmont were hired in the last year. That is a significant amount of seniority.

MKUltra 10-27-2018 03:46 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2698380)
Because they gave me 45k up front and captain pay from day 1 and I’ll liekly fly more here on rsv then other airlines.

On reserve you can expect to work every day.. but fly about 25 hours... you'll be doing mdt and abe terminators and yellow cab rides back to phl at midnight... you'll double dead head to pgv to fly one leg back to clt.. dh back to phl tooi fly the terminator to abe, and dh in a yellow cab to phl...

I have a reserve month last april, i head over 45 hours of cabs, and about 20 hours of actual flying..

I'm as senior as it gets now for captains... i has 11 days off in November and credit 83 hours. I'm bidding in the top 30 right now.. that's a 5800 dollar pay check or after taxes and deductions I'm making only 3500...

You can not afford to live in the phl area on the wages...

MKUltra 10-27-2018 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2698380)
Because they gave me 45k up front and captain pay from day 1 and I’ll liekly fly more here on rsv then other airlines.

FYI your pay was against the cba along with the bonus pay...

Iregretnothing 10-27-2018 03:52 AM

To put things in perspective, I left Piedmont for a flying job in Afghanistan and I my quality of life has improved tremendously.

flysooner9 10-27-2018 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by MKUltra (Post 2698500)
FYI your pay was against the cba along with the bonus pay...

Well technically the bonus was paid before I was part of the CBA. As for the CA pay if our union was worth 2 cents they’d have an LOA hammered out to get everyone captain pay from the day they were awarded it. That’s what happened pretty quickly at Envoy in the same situation.

MKUltra 10-27-2018 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2698511)
Well technically the bonus was paid before I was part of the CBA. As for the CA pay if our union was worth 2 cents they’d have an LOA hammered out to get everyone captain pay from the day they were awarded it. That’s what happened pretty quickly at Envoy in the same situation.

Well the company is fighting the union hand in first on this.. because of the amount of back pay to fos sitting in training right how the company literally doesn't have the money budgeted.. this will be a long battle in mediation.

Technically the bonus was paid to you while u were on property, against the cba.. again this will be in meditation...

chrisreedrules 10-27-2018 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2698175)
18+ days off a month huh? How’s SAPA been working for you guys lately?

Not defending Piedmont but show me a regional or about any airline where you get 18+ off a month.

I’ve had as much as 21 days off and 65 credit at PSA. That was as a senior FO with great trips, but it’s doable. My record so far is 9 days off and 130 hours of credit without holiday incentive. Some of our pilots are crediting over 150 hours in November with 11 days off from the holiday pay LOA. Our SAP is downright slow and does not work as the contract says it should, but it still works.

That being said, the SAP is not a reason to come to PSA right now as we head into negotiations for PBS in 2019. Not saying it will go away, but the company certainly does not care for it.


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