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Old 01-15-2019, 05:47 AM
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QOL "automatically" increases with PBS??

What?????
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Old 01-15-2019, 05:57 AM
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Not really. If life and pay didn’t suck so bad, the need to move on wouldn’t be as urgent/necessary.

If you are driving a busted jalopy and the opportunities for a brand new BMW is offered if you can suffer a few more years, maybe you can endure, (but it could be disastrous on spouses who can’t endure never seeing you for those 5-7 years, or missing that much of your child’s life and not even having the pay to show it).
But if you are driving a 7 year old Accord, sure the new 5 series will be great, but the Accord isn’t all that bad (you get to see your family slightly more often, and a bit more pay).
short term gains<long term gains

id rather be at AA for 35 years than 30 for a "higher QOL" at a regional.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:00 AM
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by the way, same as it ever was. It won't change here, you might as well try to get out quicker somehow (hired outside the flow, faster flow, whatever that may be)
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:12 AM
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QOL "automatically" increases with PBS??

What?????
Yes. Better system.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Lahey View Post
short term gains<long term gains

id rather be at AA for 35 years than 30 for a "higher QOL" at a regional.
That’s just 1 view. I want to get out of here, too, but I also want my time here to be better. Hence, increases in QOL and pay are great.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:17 AM
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Yes. Better system.
If the system and rules it works under are garbage, it’s the same crap just repackaged.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thgenaviator View Post
Yes. Better system.
Riiiight. Better for whom? Been there done that with PBS. Never think that PBS is there for YOUR benefit.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 4thgenaviator View Post
Yes. Better system.
this is why we don't have nice things.

Your assertion was we "AUTOMATICALLY" get 1-4 extra days off by accepting PBS. That is woefully incorrect and entirely based up on the contractual language they negotiate to construct pairings/rigs/etc. You do know you can have PBS and still get 11 days off right?

PBS is an optimization tool. Who do you think it is optimizing the schedules in favor of? Hint: it's not you.
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Originally Posted by 4thgenaviator View Post
Yes. Better system.
The system is only as good as the work rule/protections in the contract. PDTs is lacking, especially with the modified min day being 4hrs. PBS is designed to minimize crew and maximize scheduling efficiency bases on the limits of the contract so the system will strive to assign no more than 4hrs of pay opportunity per day for an average of 18.75 days per month throughout the system.

Same 4hr/day credit for the same 11 days off a month at the price of triple premium pay, Vacation conflict bidding and a smaller pilot group with PBS at Piedmont the way things currently are.
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Wink View Post
this is why we don't have nice things.

Your assertion was we "AUTOMATICALLY" get 1-4 extra days off by accepting PBS. That is woefully incorrect and entirely based up on the contractual language they negotiate to construct pairings/rigs/etc. You do know you can have PBS and still get 11 days off right?

PBS is an optimization tool. Who do you think it is optimizing the schedules in favor of? Hint: it's not you.
I didn’t claim the 1-4 days off.

And, please, I’ve preached the language surrounding PBS as vitally important since I’ve first been posting. I understand that.
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