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Old 06-12-2019, 06:13 AM
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I know you said flow doesn’t matter but I just want your metrics to be accurate. Flow for a new hire at PDT is 7-9 years right now. Also you’ll be commuting in day prior. We don’t have different reserve times that would afford you an extra day at home.

Our training footprint is getting smaller since the well is drying up. You would get used a fair amount but we are flying dash routes and a lot of flights are less than an hour. Time building is a slow process.

Don’t. Even. Consider. Piedmont.
I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:26 AM
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I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
All about timing, my friend. And your friend/instructor should be telling you the same.
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by molitvic13 View Post
I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
No one is "flowing" at 4 yrs exactly this year. Right now it's at 4yrs 11mo. And will be right around that 5 yr mark give or take a few months for the rest of the year. Could potentially get to 4.5 yrs by early next year and if that is the case that will be the lowest the flow ever gets and only increases from there. #facts
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:17 AM
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I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
If you showed up today you’d be #742 on the seniority list, the latest to flow was #72.

#742-72 =670 people waiting to flow of which you’ll be the last one.

670 people/ 72 people (max possible flow per year, AA often only takes flows 11 months a year) = 9.3 years to flow for you.

670/66 (AA averaging 11 flow classes of 6 Piedmont pilots per year) = 10.15 years to flow for you.

670/84 (Average with 7 people a month leaving above you (6 flows x12 months plus 12 pilots a year average above you on the list (will be more above you early on then taper off to becoming a rare treat ) = 7.9 years.

Can’t project AA hiring (they shut down for displacement training etc) or attrition outside the flow over the next 10 years, but 7 years is probably the really optimistic side of what is achievable for a new hire today, and 9 years is the back end of what’s possible depending on the number of normal hiring slowdowns in the industry. A massive downturn event and all bets are off.
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There was a window where people hired had a VERY fast flow. I believe it covered about 50 pilots
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Old 06-12-2019, 11:31 AM
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There was a window where people hired had a VERY fast flow. I believe it covered about 50 pilots
Then you hire 180ish people per year for three years. Same 66ish flow per year. Little attrition at the top equals much longer flow times.
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