DEC: C5 vs PDT vs G7
Primary goal is to fly my tail off & build TPIC. I’ll be commuting regardless of base; BTDT so I know what to expect. Don’t mind being stuck on reserve so long as I’m likely to get used with some frequency. I would anticipate being picked up by a major or LLC within 5yrs, so flows / promised interviews are purely a backup plan.
GoJet DEC PIC accumulation: Rapid Flow: Spirit/Frontier - Slow Sign-on Bonus: $50k CA Reserve Length: ? Commuter Clause: 4 hotels Crediting for prior 121 puts pay 30-50% higher CommutAir DEC PIC accumulation: Rapid Interview: United - eligible after 1000 PIC / 12mo Sign-on Bonus: $45k CA Reserve Length: 4mo - Used nearly daily (short on CAs) Commuter Clause: 4 hotels Piedmont DEC PIC accumulation: Slow - training delays Flow: AA - 5yrs Sign-on Bonus: $45k CA Reserve Length: ? Commuter Clause: 2 hotels Anything I’m missing that would work in favor of / detract from any specific offer? |
I know you said flow doesn’t matter but I just want your metrics to be accurate. Flow for a new hire at PDT is 7-9 years right now. Also you’ll be commuting in day prior. We don’t have different reserve times that would afford you an extra day at home.
Our training footprint is getting smaller since the well is drying up. You would get used a fair amount but we are flying dash routes and a lot of flights are less than an hour. Time building is a slow process. Don’t. Even. Consider. Piedmont. |
Originally Posted by PDTFlyer
(Post 2830604)
I know you said flow doesn’t matter but I just want your metrics to be accurate. Flow for a new hire at PDT is 7-9 years right now. Also you’ll be commuting in day prior. We don’t have different reserve times that would afford you an extra day at home.
Our training footprint is getting smaller since the well is drying up. You would get used a fair amount but we are flying dash routes and a lot of flights are less than an hour. Time building is a slow process. Don’t. Even. Consider. Piedmont. |
Originally Posted by SeriousShirley
(Post 2830610)
Thanks for the clarification on flow timeline & training. Routinely tacking on extra days to reserve for commuting is pretty unappealing, considering I’ll likely only have 1-2 days off in-between as it is. I’d be willing to deal with it if it meant I was logging tons of hours. For slow accumulation... it doesn’t sound like PDT is going to suit my needs.
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Originally Posted by SeriousShirley
(Post 2830610)
Thanks for the clarification on flow timeline & training. Routinely tacking on extra days to reserve for commuting is pretty unappealing, considering I’ll likely only have 1-2 days off in-between as it is. I’d be willing to deal with it if it meant I was logging tons of hours. For slow accumulation... it doesn’t sound like PDT is going to suit my needs.
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I’m a DEC at Piedmont. Been here about a year. I block about 50 hours a month on average. Still on reserve, you’d probably be on reserve till you left since we aren’t hiring many DECs. Piedmont has served its purpose for me and about what I expected coming in. They have some annoying reserve rules that make it extra tough on commuters. Also the complete lack of any scheduling software or transparency is a problem.
If I was looking again I’d probably go to Commutair. They are still in growing mode while piedmont May become somewhat stagnant. I think Gojets future is a little rocky with possibly losing the delta flying. Also If your goal is PIC time you’ll spend most of your time flying in the right seat as a DEC. |
Originally Posted by flysooner9
(Post 2830656)
I think Gojets future is a little rocky with possibly losing the delta flying. Also If your goal is PIC time you’ll spend most of your time flying in the right seat as a DEC.
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Originally Posted by SeriousShirley
(Post 2830575)
Primary goal is to fly my tail off & build TPIC. I’ll be commuting regardless of base; BTDT so I know what to expect. Don’t mind being stuck on reserve so long as I’m likely to get used with some frequency. I would anticipate being picked up by a major or LLC within 5yrs, so flows / promised interviews are purely a backup plan.
GoJet DEC PIC accumulation: Rapid Flow: Spirit/Frontier - Slow Sign-on Bonus: $50k CA Reserve Length: ? Commuter Clause: 4 hotels Crediting for prior 121 puts pay 30-50% higher CommutAir DEC PIC accumulation: Rapid Interview: United - eligible after 1000 PIC / 12mo Sign-on Bonus: $45k CA Reserve Length: 4mo - Used nearly daily (short on CAs) Commuter Clause: 4 hotels Piedmont DEC PIC accumulation: Slow - training delays Flow: AA - 5yrs Sign-on Bonus: $45k CA Reserve Length: ? Commuter Clause: 2 hotels Anything I’m missing that would work in favor of / detract from any specific offer? Unless Piedmont starts to grow again, plan on 24-36+ months of 11 days off and 90 minute call outs and you won’t be disappointed. Once reserve staffing on the CA side becomes healthy, 300-400hrs a year of flying will probably be realistic. Flow is about 9 years also. |
Commutair.
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[QUOTE=PDTFlyer;2830615]It’s unfortunate because PDT has some of the best flight crews I’ve ever flown with..
We do? |
Originally Posted by PDTFlyer
(Post 2830604)
I know you said flow doesn’t matter but I just want your metrics to be accurate. Flow for a new hire at PDT is 7-9 years right now. Also you’ll be commuting in day prior. We don’t have different reserve times that would afford you an extra day at home.
Our training footprint is getting smaller since the well is drying up. You would get used a fair amount but we are flying dash routes and a lot of flights are less than an hour. Time building is a slow process. Don’t. Even. Consider. Piedmont. |
Originally Posted by molitvic13
(Post 2835510)
I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
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Originally Posted by molitvic13
(Post 2835510)
I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
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Originally Posted by molitvic13
(Post 2835510)
I have this hard to believe. My instructor who taught me how to fly, is currently a Captain and check airmen over at PDT. From the day he got hired, and as of today. He flows to American here this year. 4 years exactly.
#742-72 =670 people waiting to flow of which you’ll be the last one. 670 people/ 72 people (max possible flow per year, AA often only takes flows 11 months a year) = 9.3 years to flow for you. 670/66 (AA averaging 11 flow classes of 6 Piedmont pilots per year) = 10.15 years to flow for you. 670/84 (Average with 7 people a month leaving above you (6 flows x12 months plus 12 pilots a year average above you on the list (will be more above you early on then taper off to becoming a rare treat ) = 7.9 years. Can’t project AA hiring (they shut down for displacement training etc) or attrition outside the flow over the next 10 years, but 7 years is probably the really optimistic side of what is achievable for a new hire today, and 9 years is the back end of what’s possible depending on the number of normal hiring slowdowns in the industry. A massive downturn event and all bets are off. |
There was a window where people hired had a VERY fast flow. I believe it covered about 50 pilots
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Originally Posted by FmrPropCapt
(Post 2835653)
There was a window where people hired had a VERY fast flow. I believe it covered about 50 pilots
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