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C172SledDriver 03-05-2020 02:58 PM

New QOL Improvements?
 
How has Piedmont been improving the QOL and what changes can be expected?

Wesgoto 03-05-2020 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by C172SledDriver (Post 2990262)
How has Piedmont been improving the QOL and what changes can be expected?


hahaha!!! Someone get this guy a beer. He’s been smoking the wrong sh&$!

av8orfliboy 03-05-2020 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Wesgoto (Post 2990302)
hahaha!!! Someone get this guy a beer. He’s been smoking the wrong sh&$!

I think OPs question stems from what recruiters are telling applicants at the interview. I assume from your response, those improvements have not been advertised to the pilot group...

I got the same non-specific statement at my interview. Based on the lack of any specific improvements cited, and judging by the relative happiness of the folks who post on here regarding scheduling (along with some other intangibles), I am considering other regionals over PDT. I would be happy to hear that I missed the mark in considering PDT, or that there are improvements coming that I, or any potential new hire, should consider while deciding where to call home for the next few years.

C172SledDriver 03-05-2020 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Wesgoto (Post 2990302)
hahaha!!! Someone get this guy a beer. He’s been smoking the wrong sh&$!

I’ve heard that there have been some changes and some expected changes to come. Just wondering if anyone has seen those changes.

PiedMemes 03-05-2020 08:25 PM

Do you enjoy min days off?
 
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offmyrocker 03-05-2020 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by C172SledDriver (Post 2990335)
I’ve heard that there have been some changes and some expected changes to come. Just wondering if anyone has seen those changes.

none of the changes will move the needle enough to make a difference for someone to decide on whether to go to PDT or choose elsewhere. For those already stuck in the hell that is PDT, well, anything is better than nothing...

CADR 03-06-2020 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by C172SledDriver (Post 2990262)
How has Piedmont been improving the QOL and what changes can be expected?

There are no new QOL improvements coming. At least nothing has been indicated to the pilot group. However with that said, communication to the pilot group from both management and the union at times is poor. We usually never know what is really going on (if anything even is) which is why we come on here and gaggle like school kids. Also, management is very stuck in their ways and the people at the top are from a different era and just simply do not understand the climate of today’s regional world and what industry standards are today.

But facts are facts. yes there have been some small victories over the past couple years for the pilot group. The other fact is Piedmont is still far behind every other regional in terms of quality of life for its flight crews. If you are just starting out in the regional world and looking to park yourself for a few years then go somewhere else. Right now you can have a better QOL, make more money, work less, fly newer airplanes, and have better trips at most other regionals. If you want / need flow to AA then go for Envoy or PSA over PDT. There is nothing that currently makes PDT the “place” to go to when there are far superior options for a brand new hire.

IFly145 03-06-2020 09:12 AM

The union signed 3 LOA’s about a month ago. The union said that they are still talking with the company.

buddies8 03-06-2020 10:57 AM

Then those loa's should be on the alpa mec web site.

JC145 03-06-2020 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2990756)
Then those loa's should be on the alpa mec web site.

The last update to the contract on the app was August 2019. So they have not been posted. Union is slacking with communications

flydpaarrow 03-06-2020 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by C172SledDriver (Post 2990335)
I’ve heard that there have been some changes and some expected changes to come. Just wondering if anyone has seen those changes.

Don't expect anything in this industry till its signed and you have personally experienced the benefits besides that its all smoke and mirrors. Will things change? Maybe. What will change? Probably stuff

send a check 03-06-2020 11:33 AM

To me the only way to survive this place it to expect nothing to change. Having expectations of better things to come is a dangerous mindset.

I have abandoned all hope as I was advised to years ago upon my arrival. I am quite content expecting nothing and counting days until the call comes or I flow.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I may be a glutton for punishment but I’m not insane.

Duffman 03-07-2020 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by CADR (Post 2990586)
There are no new QOL improvements coming. At least nothing has been indicated to the pilot group. However with that said, communication to the pilot group from both management and the union at times is poor. We usually never know what is really going on (if anything even is) which is why we come on here and gaggle like school kids. Also, management is very stuck in their ways and the people at the top are from a different era and just simply do not understand the climate of today’s regional world and what industry standards are today.

But facts are facts. yes there have been some small victories over the past couple years for the pilot group. The other fact is Piedmont is still far behind every other regional in terms of quality of life for its flight crews. If you are just starting out in the regional world and looking to park yourself for a few years then go somewhere else. Right now you can have a better QOL, make more money, work less, fly newer airplanes, and have better trips at most other regionals. If you want / need flow to AA then go for Envoy or PSA over PDT. There is nothing that currently makes PDT the “place” to go to when there are far superior options for a brand new hire.

The modified min day of 16 hours per 4-day trip is what really drags down your pay check at PDT. A standard trip is 80 hours time away from base, blocking (AKA, getting paid for) 17 hours. With Republic's trip RIG protection each trip would be a minimum of 20 hours. Then throw in their duty RIG protections and that number would probably go up even more. With 4-5 trips a month, that would be at least an extra 12-15 hours of pay per month, at least help compensate us for the inefficient schedules, time away from base, and bring us closer to a PSA or Envoy paycheck. Triple premium sounds good until you jumpseat on PSA and find out that after scoring triple premium and only getting 10 days off, the PSA crew still blocked more hours than you and got 14 days off. I'm sure management knows what needs to be done, but apparently there isn't enough pressure for them to break the longstanding PDT status quo, which is burning people out on the line. This kinda worries me because everybody is hurting for pilots right now and if PDT's reaction is too little, too late, then life as a line pilot at PDT will be very painful while they try to do more with less.

CADR 03-07-2020 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by Duffman (Post 2991395)
The modified min day of 16 hours per 4-day trip is what really drags down your pay check at PDT. A standard trip is 80 hours time away from base, blocking (AKA, getting paid for) 17 hours. With Republic's trip RIG protection each trip would be a minimum of 20 hours. Then throw in their duty RIG protections and that number would probably go up even more. With 4-5 trips a month, that would be at least an extra 12-15 hours of pay per month, at least help compensate us for the inefficient schedules, time away from base, and bring us closer to a PSA or Envoy paycheck. Triple premium sounds good until you jumpseat on PSA and find out that after scoring triple premium and only getting 10 days off, the PSA crew still blocked more hours than you and got 14 days off. I'm sure management knows what needs to be done, but apparently there isn't enough pressure for them to break the longstanding PDT status quo, which is burning people out on the line. This kinda worries me because everybody is hurting for pilots right now and if PDT's reaction is too little, too late, then life as a line pilot at PDT will be very painful while they try to do more with less.


As someone from the top of PDT once said “I do not pay pilots to work part-time”.

^ I thinks that says all you need to know about “those” at the top.

PDT management is stuck in the past. They are living out of touch with the norm of “industry standard” today. Hopefully American knocks some sense into them sooner rather than later. PDT wonders why they are currently struggling to hire pilots.... but honestly, why is it such a surprise? ... look around at the competition, PDT is decades behind in EVERYTHING that other regionals have and offer.

Sorry but we all have friends and we trust our friends at other regionals/majors and their word over the BS propaganda of the recruiting department.

PDT is going to have a rough summer, and serves them right. They have made zero commitment to making their flight crew’s lives better and have had zero communication to their flight crews on anything coming down the pipeline. Hopefully American takes notice and holds those at the top of PDT accountable for once.

offmyrocker 03-07-2020 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by CADR (Post 2991642)
As someone from the top of PDT once said “I do not pay pilots to work part-time”.

^ I thinks that says all you need to know about “those” at the top.

PDT management is stuck in the past. They are living out of touch with the norm of “industry standard” today. Hopefully American knocks some sense into them sooner rather than later. PDT wonders why they are currently struggling to hire pilots.... but honestly, why is it such a surprise? ... look around at the competition, PDT is decades behind in EVERYTHING that other regionals have and offer.

Sorry but we all have friends and we trust our friends at other regionals/majors and their word over the BS propaganda of the recruiting department.

PDT is going to have a rough summer, and serves them right. They have made zero commitment to making their flight crew’s lives better and have had zero communication to their flight crews on anything coming down the pipeline. Hopefully American takes notice and holds those at the top of PDT accountable for once.

100% right!

QuebOLimaJet 03-07-2020 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by CADR (Post 2991642)
As someone from the top of PDT once said “I do not pay pilots to work part-time”.



PDT is going to have a rough summer, and serves them right. They have made zero commitment to making their flight crew’s lives better and have had zero communication to their flight crews on anything coming down the pipeline. Hopefully American takes notice and holds those at the top of PDT accountable for once.


We’ll need to turn the twitter alerts off. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom first....

PeteyT 03-11-2020 07:55 PM

This. airline. does. not. care. about. your. quality. of life.

Let me say it again.

This. airline. does. not. care. about. your. quality. of life.

The only way they'll offer a QoL improvement is if it helps them out somehow. Why? Because morons still come here despite the garbage contract.


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