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IFly145 04-07-2020 05:08 AM

Preview of May 2020 schedule
 
https://crankyflier.com/2020/04/06/a...-may-schedule/

I saw this on the American forum. Looks like PHL will be gutted Tuesday and Saturday. I guess 20 hours to sit at home is looking better all the time.

chrisreedrules 04-07-2020 06:37 AM

I figured AA would shrink to focus on its fortress hubs. DFW/CLT and MIA.

OpMidClimax 04-07-2020 06:39 AM

Well there is Watertown at least.. not great news for Piedmont or PSA.

Flyinguy 04-07-2020 07:41 AM

Preview of May 2020 schedule
 

Originally Posted by IFly145 (Post 3025858)
. I guess 20 hours to sit at home is looking better all the time.


Not when you can make 75h to sit at the airport or hotel...
Especially the single folks. Not a whole lot to do at home. Not a huge difference between home and hotel. Might as well get paid more.

IFly145 04-07-2020 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinguy (Post 3026045)
Not when you can make 75h to sit at the airport or hotel...
Especially the single folks. Not a whole lot to do at home. Not a huge difference between home and hotel. Might as well get paid more.

Unless you’re paying for the hotel. I see a large number of folks sitting reserve in May.

Flyinguy 04-07-2020 09:36 AM

Preview of May 2020 schedule
 

Originally Posted by IFly145 (Post 3026135)
Unless you’re paying for the hotel. I see a large number of folks sitting reserve in May.


Even then 75h-20=55.

55x50=2750 (junior FO) 55x76=4180 (junior CA).

Crash pads (even hotel) are way cheaper than that, and you still come out making more.

The only reason to take the 20h is if you are concerned of catching ‘rona. Then might as well get paid to stay home in a slightly safer place (if you have your groceries and supplies delivered).

But if that isn’t your situation, taking 20h makes about as much sense as flood insurance in the desert.

OpMidClimax 04-07-2020 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinguy (Post 3026187)
Even then 75h-20=55.

55x50=2750 (junior FO) 55x76=4180 (junior CA).

Crash pads (even hotel) are way cheaper than that, and you still come out making more.

The only reason to take the 20h is if you are concerned of catching ‘rona. Then might as well get paid to stay home in a slightly safer place (if you have your groceries and supplies delivered).

But if that isn’t your situation, taking 20h makes about as much sense as flood insurance in the desert.

unless you have a side gig.. than your doing pretty well.

Swakid8 04-07-2020 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Flyinguy (Post 3026187)
Even then 75h-20=55.

55x50=2750 (junior FO) 55x76=4180 (junior CA).

Crash pads (even hotel) are way cheaper than that, and you still come out making more.

The only reason to take the 20h is if you are concerned of catching ‘rona. Then might as well get paid to stay home in a slightly safer place (if you have your groceries and supplies delivered).

But if that isn’t your situation, taking 20h makes about as much sense as flood insurance in the desert.

Thats same point I’ve made to several folks at my shop. Some guys will do anything to no sit reserve again lol.

Flyinguy 04-07-2020 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 3026229)
unless you have a side gig.. than your doing pretty well.


This is true. I image most side gigs are curtailed right now too, with no-one able to afford anything. But if you got one, it makes sense to me.

CADR 04-07-2020 02:31 PM

With the reduction of flying and number of lines, are they still obligated to keep flying in open time? Basically will they make lines with all the flying AA gives them or will they reduce the number of lines even further in order to keep flying in open time per the contract? These are kind of unprecedented times and you would think that they would make as many lines as possible and not keep flying in open time which nobody is going to pick up and will translate to people getting short called and jacked around on reserve.

IFly145 04-08-2020 05:52 AM

I’m confused. According to section 25, the company is required to build as many hard lines as it can. The amount of flying left out of hard lines can’t be more than 5%. There’s no minimum that I can see. If anything, it might be fractionally higher than 5% just because of rounding error.



Originally Posted by CADR (Post 3026515)
With the reduction of flying and number of lines, are they still obligated to keep flying in open time? Basically will they make lines with all the flying AA gives them or will they reduce the number of lines even further in order to keep flying in open time per the contract? These are kind of unprecedented times and you would think that they would make as many lines as possible and not keep flying in open time which nobody is going to pick up and will translate to people getting short called and jacked around on reserve.


JC145 04-08-2020 09:42 AM

Lines were just emailed. They look terrible! Looks like reserve for me. If only they would have offered something higher than 20 hour SRL. Hmmm

CADR 04-08-2020 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by JC145 (Post 3027125)
Lines were just emailed. They look terrible! Looks like reserve for me. If only they would have offered something higher than 20 hour SRL. Hmmm

It will be RSV for most of us. With any luck they will be smart and make RSV lines with more than 11 days off. However, that may be asking for too much common sense from PDT.

Flyinguy 04-08-2020 12:37 PM

Preview of May 2020 schedule
 

Originally Posted by OpMidClimax (Post 3026229)
unless you have a side gig.. than your doing pretty well.


Though the more I think about this. If you have a side gig (presumably online), you can also easily do in hotel or crash pad or home (if you don’t commute).

Still makes taking a 75h line make much more sense.

Especially with some of those 30+h ‘overnights’! Nothing but time!

standardrate 04-09-2020 05:52 AM

so basically 160 lines total for CA &FO


everyone else will be put on reserve with 11 days off


how the are commuters supposed to do that?


hopefully they figure out a long call. if not, idk what we will do

CADR 04-09-2020 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by standardrate (Post 3027760)
so basically 160 lines total for CA &FO


everyone else will be put on reserve with 11 days off


how the are commuters supposed to do that?


hopefully they figure out a long call. if not, idk what we will do



Call out sick? Or use the commuter clause? The problem is they will not make RSV lines with more than 11 days off if they are paying 75 hours of credit. Their argument will be if you wanted more days off then you should have taken a reduced line or voluntary leave. The only thing that can really be used is that due to the reduced flying commuting to PHL/CLT is going to be "not normal". So the best thing to do would be to call scheduling every day and try to get a later on call time and explain your commute to them. As far as commuting home, yeah....good luck?

phrogfella 04-09-2020 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by CADR (Post 3027775)
Call out sick? Or use the commuter clause? The problem is they will not make RSV lines with more than 11 days off if they are paying 75 hours of credit. Their argument will be if you wanted more days off then you should have taken a reduced line or voluntary leave. The only thing that can really be used is that due to the reduced flying commuting to PHL/CLT is going to be "not normal". So the best thing to do would be to call scheduling every day and try to get a later on call time and explain your commute to them. As far as commuting home, yeah....good luck?

It might end up taking a month for the company to realize that our commuting problems are their scheduling problems and adjust the reserve scheduling accordingly. I would not expect them to build reserve schedules with more than 11 days off until they think that it is in their best interest and I wouldn’t expect the union to ask for a Long Call Reserve LOA until we ask them for it.


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